Phillies Bring Back Pat Neshek and Other Winter Meeting Rumblings

The big news in the baseball world over the past few days is the Phillies bringing back right handed reliever Pat Neshek on what is reportedly a 2 year $16M deal with a team option for a 3rd year. Neshek was the Phillies lone All-Star last year before being traded to Colorado for Jose Gomez, J.D. Hammer, and Alejandro Requena at the deadline. Between the two teams Neshek pitched 62.1 innings with a 1.59 ERA. This deal covers Neshek’s age 37 and 38 seasons, but he has also been very good into his 30s which alleviates some of the concerns. The Phillies won’t be counting on Neshek to repeat his 2017 season, nor are they getting him to be their closer, but the move helps stabilize a Phillies bullpen on the rise. Neshek will rejoin the bullpen core of Hector Neris and Edubray Ramos as well as 2017 breakouts Adam Morgan and Luis Garcia. As of right now it looks like Hoby Milner will join them with the last spot either being filled with another FA acquisition or an internal option like Victor Arano, Yacksel Rios, Ricardo Pinto, or any other starter moving to the bullpen. It isn’t an elite level bullpen, but if Garcia and Morgan can repeat their 2017 seasons, it has the upside to be very good. This might end up a bit of a monetary overpay, but Neshek was very good last year and liked his time with the Phillies, and even if it goes south the Phillies have solidified up the late innings.


The Phillies lost two players on waivers this week. Cam Perkins was claimed by the Seattle Mariners and Engelb Vielma was claimed by the Pittsburgh Pirates. Both players had little future in the Phillies organization and it immediately opens up two roster spots. For now those spots look to be going to Neshek and a Rule 5 draft pick.


Yesterday there was a report out of a Baltimore local site that the Phillies were interested in trading for Manny Machado with a window to convince him to sign him to an extension. There has been a strong counter to this from the Phillies and both national and local reporters that the Phillies are not looking to shake up their position player group and that they would rather wait for Machado to reach free agency and sign him than give up top prospects in a trade. Additionally, I personally cannot see Machado agreeing to a contract extension.


There was also a rumor that the Phillies are interested in Jake Arrieta. His agent is supposedly looking for $200M, which he won’t get, but there seems to be enough interest that Arrieta won’t be cheap. Arrieta received a qualifying offer so he will cost a pick and international signing bonus money, which makes him less attractive to the Phillies. Arrieta would fill a short term need, but he has been declining in recent years and is entering his age 32 season, meaning he likely won’t be a long term asset. If his price drops sharply the Phillies could jump in, but I find it unlikely.

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  1. Mike Fassano

    December 12, 2017 01:49 PM

    Going in, I would have been satisfied with a decent starter, and a stud reliever. We’ve got a decent reliever so far. I’d like to get Straily or Fullmer, but I don’t want to give up a lot of prospects. Is there any way we can get one of these two by using spare parts (Rupp, Hernandez, Galvis) and one prospect (not named Sixto).

    • Romus

      December 12, 2017 03:15 PM

      MikeF….would you be happy getting Fulmer, and maybe also RHP Kyle Funkhouser, in exchange for Cesar and Vinny V.?

      • Mike Fassano

        December 12, 2017 04:16 PM

        Yes, I would.

    • Eddie

      December 12, 2017 03:57 PM

      A rebuilding Detroit team is not going to give up a 24-year old frontline starter with four years of team control in exchange for a bunch of rejects.

      Given contract/age/etc. Fulmer is about as valuable as Cole Hamels was, and Hamels was worth three top-100 prospects. You’re not getting him cheap (and in fact, 10-1 nobody is getting him at all).

      • Mike Fassano

        December 12, 2017 04:20 PM

        Thanks Eddie, I can always count on you to rain on my parade. If I remember, Cole was traded at the deadline, to a team in a pennant race, and had just pitched a no hitter.

      • Eddie

        December 12, 2017 07:04 PM

        Sorry, man, reality bites.

    • Steve

      December 12, 2017 08:48 PM

      At this point, I don’t want to trade Kingery, Sixto, or Kilome at all. I don’t want to move Ortiz, Hassely, and probably a handful of other guys unless it’s a Chris Sale like return (established, dominant, young, and under contract) in two years from now Sixto could be as good as Fulmer, Kingery could be as good as Machado.

  2. 4ester

    December 12, 2017 06:10 PM

    Neshek signing is fine. An overpay in my opinion, but nothing to wring our hands over. Rumor has it, they’re kicking the tires on Addison Reed too. Never hurts to bolster the pen in case young starters need some innings kicked back to the pen.
    Machado – They need to give Franco one last shot here. Trading away any top prospects for Manny screams of lack of foresight. He’ll only cost money next year and if Sixto is on the table, I’d hope Klentak walks. We’ve waited this long, don’t do anything out of haste.
    Arrieta – no thanks. He could revert back to his Baltimore days in a heartbeat and actually I think that is what will happen to him. Seems like hitters are catching on to his approach and with him bein on the wrong side of 30, he just doesn’t fit. If they’re going to put a package together of worthy prospects for anything, I would hope it would be for a frontline starter like Stroman, Fulmer, etc.

    • Mike Fassano

      December 12, 2017 06:32 PM

      Yes, Yes, Yes.

  3. U_DUB

    December 12, 2017 07:12 PM

    The Phillies have money so every agent is going to try to link their player to this organization. Another starter and a good veteran who is willing to be a bench piece and mentor and I will be happy . (go Huskies BTW)

    • Mike Fassano

      December 12, 2017 07:58 PM

      If you like conspiracy theories, I think that the Orioles are floating the Phillies interest in Machado in order to draw interest from other teams.

  4. tom

    December 12, 2017 08:36 PM

    I think Klentak goes with an 8 man pen next year and may pick up two more FA relievers. I think his analytic guys have convinced him his young starters mostly don’t have what it takes to go through a lineup three times and that the market is full of good FA relieves so they will be somewhat a bargain this year.

  5. Mike Fassano

    December 12, 2017 10:08 PM

    With the additions of Neshek and Hunter the roster should be at 40 again. If the Phillies add another player, who goes? Curtis?

    • Romus

      December 13, 2017 10:15 AM

      If the Phillies are going to particpate in tomorrow’s Rule 5…they need to be under the 40….they dropped Perk and the middle infielder (one picked up by the Mariners and Giants) ….but now they inked Neshek and Hunter, and assume they have to be posted to the 40 with legit contracts, unless they are not official yet… they may have to take a pass on the Rule 5 , then again they could always DFA someone else today sometime…do not know the cut-off time that MLB imposes on teams to get under the 40.

      • Eddie

        December 13, 2017 02:03 PM

        They might hold off on the contract until after the Rule 5 — don’t be surprised if they draft a guy and then immediately trade him.

        The third overall pick will have some value, but especially with the bullpen additions, it’s hard to see where they’d fit a rule 5 pick onto the 25 man. Maybe if there is a lefty they like better than Milner, but that’s about it.

      • Romus

        December 13, 2017 03:57 PM

        Ediie….yeah that could be the ticket…..draft at 3 and then trade…i think the Padres and AJ Preller did a lot of that last year or the prior year. They ended up with 3 Rule 5 drafted players….I think, two of which other teams drafted.

    • 4ester

      December 13, 2017 10:51 AM

      No chance, lefties are at a premium and worst case scenario is having two in the pen. With Hunter now signed, Curtis and Morgan have just become two very important pieces to the puzzle.

  6. Mike Fassano

    December 12, 2017 11:10 PM

    Now that the Phillies have added 2 solid bullpen arms, and have stated that they plan on going with the starters that they already have, what about Cesar? Can the Phillies package him, Rupp, and a mid level prospect for a AAA 3rd baseman.

  7. Romus

    December 13, 2017 10:11 AM

    Mike Fassano:
    From Jim Peyton of Phuture Phillies…he reports from the meetings that the Phillies are indeed at least showing interest and perhaps talking to the Royals about LHP Danny Duffy…may cost them however in any bidding war with the Yankees for his services.

    • Mike Fassano

      December 13, 2017 10:45 AM

      Romus – I read this morning that they still have interest in Fulmer and Archer. I’ll be sorry to see this week end.

    • 4ester

      December 13, 2017 10:55 AM

      Hmmmm, I could stand losing a high upside guys not name Sixto, Kingery, or Kilome for Duffy. Medina + would have to go, but might no fall on my sword for that. A lefty in the rotation is imperative right now to see how that would fit. What about rollin the dice on Matt Moore for a lesser package?

      • Romus

        December 13, 2017 11:04 AM

        Matt Moore would certainly cost a lot less, compared to Duffy.
        Just not sure if he can ever recapture the production he had prior to the surgery.
        He was durable last year….but man that FIP of 4.75, BB/9 of 3.5 and WHIP of 1.5 were not great at all.

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