MLB Non-Tender Deadline

By 8pm ET today teams must choose whether to tender contracts to their arbitration eligible players (and pre-arbitration eligible players). For some teams today is about what they can afford to keep on their roster, but the Phillies only have Odubel Herrera on their roster with a guaranteed contract. This means today is about the 40 man roster and what players the Phillies want to make some level of commitment to. Here are the players affected by today’s decisions as well as MLBTradeRumor’s estimated arbitration salary.

  • Freddy Galvis – $7.4M (Arb 3)
  • Cesar Hernandez – $4.7M (Arb 2, Super 2)
  • Cameron Rupp – $2.1M (Arb 1)
  • Luis Garcia – $1.4M (Arb 1)
  • Maikel Franco – $3.6M (Arb 1, Super 2)

The Phillies are clearly going to tender contracts to Galvis and Hernandez even if they plan on trading them this offseason. Hernandez still has two more years of control so if the Phillies find themselves looking at keeping him going forward, the arbitration conversation may be more of an extension conversation. Galvis’ price will be a bit high, but he is a good defender with a light bat so the Phillies should still be able to find a take at $7.4M

Luis Garcia somehow survived all of the ups and downs to hit arbitration the year before his age 31 season. From 2013 to 2016, Garcia posted a 4.24 ERA and 5.7 BB/9 for the Phillies over 127.1 innings. He had a breakout year in 2017 posting a 2.65 ERA an a BB/9 of only 3.3, to go along with his always great ground ball rate. Ideally Garcia will work in the lower leverage 6th/7th inning type role, but he was fine down the stretch sharing 8th inning opportunities with Adam Morgan. If Garcia repeats his 2017 season he will be a bargain, if he regresses to his previous state his salary will be easy to part with.

Maikel Franco probably doesn’t “deserve” $3.6M given his on field play the past few years. However, the talented 25 year old should get another chance given the state of the Phillies right now. If he doesn’t turn things around this year he could find himself gone before we hit the 2018 non-tender deadline.

That leaves Cameron Rupp. I wrote a lot of thoughts about Cameron Rupp in his report card, so I am not going to go in depth into Rupp as a player. Rupp at $2M isn’t prohibitive to the Phillies, even if he is bad. The problem is that Jorge Alfaro is going to be in the majors next year because he is out of options and has the talent to be the Phillies’ catcher of the future, leaving only one more catcher spot. Andrew Knapp showed flashes of promise at the plate as a rookie and a lot of the same problems as Rupp behind it. The Phillies also could be in the market for a good defensive veteran and move away from both Knapp and Rupp. So while $2M is not prohibitive for Rupp, it may be $2M that doesn’t have a spot on the Phillies’ roster. The Phillies could look to trade Rupp today or tender him a contract and trade him this offseason. They could also look to sign him to a contract that is not fully guaranteed and choose to part ways later in the offseason.

While he is not arb eligible, the same questions will be surrounding Tommy Joseph who clearly does not have a spot on the Phillies’ roster going forward. Expect his market or lack of market to become clear after the non-tender deadline as teams get a look at what players are available.

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  1. Romus

    December 01, 2017 04:16 PM

    Man, if the Phillies plan to move Tommy Joseph, I would hope he could at least bring back a few int’l shekels from some team! His current value is probably very limited. The Os are not using their allocation, lately trading it at every opportunity, maybe they have some left.

    • Eddie

      December 01, 2017 05:06 PM

      No, they traded all of it away.

      • Romus

        December 01, 2017 07:21 PM

        I wonder if the league prevents a team from trading int’l money from future signing periods?
        They did make exceptions about using J2-18/19 monies for the current FAs that the Braves had to relinquish under the penalty..

  2. Andrew R.

    December 02, 2017 08:28 AM

    And Tommy Joseph survives the cut. A guy like Matt Adams doesn’t. I guess Klentak is wise as negative value, RH power bats with 25-homer potential and can’t play defense are a hot commodity in the game today.

    • Jerry Spradlin

      December 02, 2017 10:15 AM

      They can always cut him if they need the roster space during the offseason, or send him to AAA next year.

      • Andrew R.

        December 02, 2017 11:29 AM

        Yeah I know Jerry. I just don’t know why this guy hasn’t been cut and signed with Korea yet.

      • Mike Fassano

        December 02, 2017 12:02 PM

        I’m positive that if the Phillies had dropped Joseph from the 40 man roster he would have been claimed. He must have some value. Even if it’s a low level prospect, it’s still something.

    • Eddie

      December 02, 2017 06:11 PM

      Statistically, Joseph and Adams project to be pretty much the same guy next year. However, Adams was due to make $4-5 million and Joseph will be league-minimum. That’s not a small difference.

  3. Romus

    December 02, 2017 09:49 AM

    CONGRATULATIONS …..go out to former CA writer Corinne Landrey….now works for the Phillies.
    Just announced that Corinne was hired as an analyst in the baseball research and development department.

    • david

      December 04, 2017 01:59 PM

      Yep. I was really pleased to see that. Congratulations Corinne!

  4. Steve

    December 02, 2017 01:44 PM

    I’d like to take a chance on Hector Rondon. He was very good for 2/3 years. Still on the right side of 30, still has the velocity. Won’t break our budget.
    It would be nice if the new coaching staff is able to help pitchers develop/ resurrect their careers like the Pirates, Cardinals, etc have a knack of doing.

    • Mike Fassano

      December 02, 2017 02:52 PM

      I just had a scary thought. What if Bob McClure made the pitching staff look better than they actually were? Oh well, if they still stink, we can blame it on the catchers again.

  5. Romus

    December 04, 2017 10:42 AM

    Tomorrow hoping to hear good news from Matt Klentak and the Phillies.
    The Braves Latin players released, by a penalty opposed onto the Braves org., can be officially tagged by MLB clubs tomorrow.
    Would be great to hear the Phillies inking one of the premier ones…maybe infielders Maitan, Severino or catcher Guiterriez.

  6. Mike Fassano

    December 05, 2017 10:05 AM

    I just read an interview by Jay Floyd with Jesmuel Valentin this morning. I’m wondering that if Valentin had been healthy, if Freddie or Cesar would have been traded at the deadline? Could he have spared us a summer of Ty Kelly?

  7. Steve

    December 07, 2017 03:26 PM

    Chatwood signs with Cubs, cross him off the potential target list. I’d have given him 3/40 to play here.
    What does anyone think about the Braves catching prospect we signed? Can never have enough depth there.
    Anyone interested in Henry Owens?
    Looks like no one else wants Appel either.

    • Mike Fassano

      December 07, 2017 04:20 PM

      Stassi signed a minor league contract with the Twins.

    • Romus

      December 07, 2017 07:27 PM

      Past reports on Gutierrez.
      Eric L., Fangraphs write up on Gutierrez:
      “Gutierrez’s frame started filling out early, and some international scouts believe he rose to the forefront of the 2016 J2 class simply because he had something resembling adult physicality sooner than his peers did. He signed for a lofty $3.53 million but ranked 23rd on that year’s July 2 board after scouts soured on him as signing day approached. He has viable catch-and-throw skills but will need to keep his frame in check to retain them as he ages. Offensively, the hit and power tools are fringey, requiring a long-term stay behind the plate for Gutierrez to be an everyday big leaguer. He spent 2017 in the Gulf Coast League.”
      www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-braves-punishment-is-in-and-its-harsh/

      KLaw’s, ESPN, write up:
      “Catcher Abrahan Gutierrez, who signed for $3.53 million, is a good catch-and-throw guy with big questions around the bat.”
      “These are all good inventory guys for short-season clubs, and are all so young that there remains both high variance and big potential with each of them, with a good chance few or none of them end up making any major league impact.”
      “…… Gutierrez is average to plus across the board with precocious all fields power and the tools to stick behind the plate. He’s obviously also very young, so it’s very early to throw lofty comparisons around like with Maitan, but scouts have said Gutierrez’s overall game is along the lines of Mike Piazza.”
      ……….bottom line…..he is 18-years old all next season, so yuoth is on his side.

  8. Mike Fassano

    December 09, 2017 08:40 AM

    Now that the Marlins have traded Dee Gordon, they need a lead off hitter who can play second base. How does Cesar for Dan Straily sound?

    • Steve

      December 09, 2017 11:46 AM

      The Marlin’s don’t need anything, they are tearing the team down and I doubt Hernandez is what they are going to center their rebuild around. I would gladly give up Cesar for Straily, but to think they need any specific type of player, let alone one like Hernandez, is naive.
      Plus it looks like they are about to get Castro.

      • Mike Fassano

        December 09, 2017 11:58 AM

        Cesar fills a hole in their line up, plays very good second base, and is CHEAP.

    • Romus

      December 09, 2017 01:48 PM

      MikeF….looks like Starlin Castro is their new second baseman from the Stanton deal today..
      Angels still may have an interest in Cesar.

      • Mike Fassano

        December 09, 2017 05:17 PM

        When the Stanton rumors started last summer, I read that Klentak was more interested in Yellich. How does Yellich and Straily for Herrera, Williams and Lively sound?

      • Mike Fassano

        December 09, 2017 05:25 PM

        Damn, I was hoping to get a war between the Angels and Marlins over Cesar.

      • Steve

        December 09, 2017 05:32 PM

        Pass

      • Mike Fassano

        December 12, 2017 09:03 AM

        Mets are interested in Castro. I can’t see someone named Castro playing in Miami. A PR disaster.

  9. Andrew R.

    December 09, 2017 12:45 PM

    Oh look, Yankees didn’t need Stanton, they needed pitching. But how about that? They still went out and got a 7-win player. But noooooo, we want mediocre pitchers, cuz that’s what we need.

    • Romus

      December 09, 2017 01:51 PM

      Os may make Manny available next week.
      Maybe Matt K. and the Phillies will kick the tires.

      • Andrew R.

        December 09, 2017 02:57 PM

        Klentak has done nothing and lied for two years here. I doubt we’d be in seriously enough to get machado.

      • Mike Fassano

        December 09, 2017 05:21 PM

        Definitely worth a call, but If we sign Machado to a huge contract, we’re out of the Harper sweepstakes next year. Maybe we already are. Donaldson is a pretty good plan B at the deadline.

      • Steve

        December 09, 2017 05:33 PM

        I’ll take Manny over Harper gladly. But I’d rather sign them as a FA then give away prospects

      • Steve

        December 09, 2017 06:07 PM

        Josh Donaldson is 32 and a FA next year. You want to trade good prospects for a 1/2 year rental? Or you want to trade prospects for him and then extend him for a lot of money through his declining years? No thanks.

      • Mike Fassano

        December 09, 2017 06:26 PM

        Donaldson won’t cost as much in money or prospects. Without an extension we don’t trade for Machado or Donaldson.

      • Romus

        December 09, 2017 06:54 PM

        How many think a 25-year old Manny will ever reach free agency?
        The Os and Dan Duquette, and son Angelos, are not that stupid.
        In fact every GM probably knows the situation.
        The Os stand to receive a compensatory pick in 2019 if Manny goes FA….that pick is in the 30s.
        Trading him in July…only gets you back minimal return for a two-month rental.
        Logically…..you move him during this off-season and let him negotiate with the team he wants to go to and then sign the 7-year contract.
        The Os get their mutiple prospects and players in return.
        Jeter let Stanton do his thing in not exactly identical, but a somewhat similar situation…..therby setting the precedent

      • Steve

        December 09, 2017 07:09 PM

        Maybe I’m wrong, but I dont think Manny has a no trade clause. That’s means if the Os trade him it will be for the best return, regardless of where Machado wants to play. That make it far from a garuntee that he signs an extension. It would have to be an environment he loves or a big overpay to keep him from at least testing the market after 2018, whether he finishes the season with the Os or any other team.

      • Romus

        December 09, 2017 08:02 PM

        Steve….though the Os can trade him….no GM will give them what the Os want in return for Manny, if he isn’t delivered ‘LTC signed’ at the trade. Since the new team will just lose him after one year anyway to free agency and they get a 33rd pick in the draft.
        For the Os to get the max return…..they need to let Manny and his agent negotiate with a team he wants to go with and can offer him the money he wants….and in return they send back the players the Os want or need.
        There may be a team who will give up premier prospects for him…and hope to win it all with him, and then see if he will sign with them after 2018…but that is risky.

      • Steve

        December 10, 2017 04:09 PM

        No I understand the scenario, I just don’t know why Machado would sign an extension now. Especially with a new team, before he ever plays a game with them, unless of course they drastically over pay. I expect him to stay with the O’s and hit FA after the season, or get traded as a rental for a lesser return than the O’s want.

      • Romus

        December 10, 2017 04:38 PM

        Just as Stanton seem to have leverage over Jeter and the Marlins once they said they needed to move him…and getting really little value in return other than salary relief……Manny is limiting the Orioles’ options and lessening their chances of getting adequate return value for him.

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