Crash Bag, Vol. 6: Hot Stove with Gravy

Happy Thanksgiving! This is my favorite holiday of the year. There’s no agenda other than to eat an enormous, irresponsible quantity of amazing food, do no work, and spend time with friends and family. No gifts, no praying, nothing … except an awful, murderous backstory that’s really convenient to tuck away for the sake of celebrating and giving thanks. So without further ado, let us commence the Thanksgiving Crash Bag.

This topic almost made it into the last Bag, but I felt it deserved a lot of room to breathe.

Following and writing about this team have proven to be a significant challenge for me over the last several years. The developments of the past two years have alleviated some of the difficulty, while simultaneously creating an additional problem: in being positive and hopeful about the Phillies’ rebuild, I’ve sometimes found myself unconsciously Trusting the Process. Unquestionably, the Phillies are not ready to contend in 2016. But I’ve said repeatedly that, assuming the development of the prospect core of Maikel Franco, J.P. Crawford, Aaron Nola, Jerad Eickhoff, Nick Williams, and Jake Thompson, the Phillies will be an interesting fringe playoff team in 2017. That’s not really a Hot Take, but it does shave a year off the traditional rebuild narrative. Of course, I believe in the young players the Phillies have diligently assembled, thanks in large part to former GM Ruben Amaro, Jr., but more importantly, I believe in the organization’s commitment to winning. There’s nothing we can do to get 2011 or 2012 back, and the “failure” of winning “only” one championship is hardly an indication of what Middleton & Co. have in mind for the Phillies moving forward. With a still-fantastic stadium, a new television contract in one of the 10 largest U.S. media markets, and enormous payroll flexibility for both 2016 and beyond, the Phillies are as financially healthy as any non-Dodger team in the sport.

So they should spend that money. Spending it on a seven-year deal for a 30something pitcher does not seem to be the wise move for the team — not this winter, anyway — and is probably not attractive to players of that description who want big money and immediate playoff appearances. However, the rare opportunity to sign a 26-year-old outfielder in free agency is not one to take lightly. Jason Heyward has already established himself as the most complete right fielder in baseball, and though his development hasn’t progressed as originally projected, he’s still not fully formed as a player. He has 20+ homer power, has stolen 20+ bases three times in six years, has a .353 OBP for his career (in 3,429 plate appearances already!), and has three gold gloves. Heyward is a Bobby Abreu in the making. If that doesn’t warm your cold little heart, you probably booed Bobby Abreu. Jason Heyward is not a typical free agent. His skills, youth, and experience, and the potential for him to get even better, add up to make him the most valuable player available right now. It might take a 10-year, $250 million contract to land him. Would you pull the trigger?

There’s plenty of examples you could bring up to be a wet blanket, if you wanted: Albert Pujols, Robinson Cano, Alex Rodriguez (twice!), Prince Fielder, Joe Mauer, Matt Kemp, Derek Jeter, Todd Helton, Carl Crawford, Alfonso Soriano, Shin-Soo Choo, and Jayson Werth. And yes, on a smaller scale, Ryan Howard. Here’s my counterpoint: Aaron Altherr, Nick Williams, Odubel Herrera, Roman Quinn, Dylan Cozens, and Cornelius Randolph. I’m excited about all of those players as much as anyone else, but if even one of them becomes as good as Jason Heyward is now, it’ll be a coup for the Phillies. If any of them become as good as we hope, it’ll be a nice problem to have. Of course, none of them can develop properly without playing time and space to grow. But the science lab era of the Phillies is going to end sooner than later, and there’s no doubt that the Phillies’ two biggest needs are quality outfielders and starting pitchers. The team has very little money on the books for 2016, and even less for 2017. I’m not saying they should spend money just to spend money. I’m saying they should spend big money on arguably the best rightfielder in baseball, who has yet to hit his prime and who can be the leader of the next Phillies world championship team.        

One of the first things I tried to figure out after reading this question was what to do with the turkey. Where’s the turkey, Matt? I made an executive decision, and it’s the pitching staff. It’s the star attraction, and like it or not, all eyes are on the turkey in the center of the table. So it only makes sense that if the pitchers are turkey, the stuffing is the player that spends the most time inside the pitcher’s … head.

C – Stuffing. Solid, reliable, and the backbone of a respectable Thanksgiving dinner. Now, there’s many kinds of stuffing, and not every one of them can be a wild mushroom and rosemary sourdough conversation starter like Buster Posey. But even Stouffer’s stove top is comforting, like watching Carlos Ruiz creak through one more year in the sun.

1B – Mashed Potatoes and Gravy. Big and immobile, but they can pack a lot of punch. With the right approach, they can be the star side dish. On the other hand, if you don’t know what you’re doing, you end up with dry, flavorless garbage that can’t even get on base 30% of the time.

2B – Brussels Sprouts. What’s bad about roasted brussels sprouts? Have you seasoned them properly? Have you actually tried to construct a side dish squad with a legit Brussels sprouts? Have you — and I don’t eat it but I know it’s amazing — hit it with bacon? It’s got 20/20 and a gold glove without even trying.

3B – Greens. Collard greens, kale, chard, whatever, just give me something leafy and green and hearty. Pack it with garlic and lemon and onion, and would it kill you to hit 20 homers? It really ties everything together when you have a legit pop of green at the hot corner.

SS – Cranberry Sauce/Relish. Punchy, energetic, and bursting with the flavor you desperately need to cut through the heaviness of the meal. There’s no such thing as Thanksgiving without some citrusy, tangy cranberry. 

LF – Mac and Cheese. I don’t eat it on Thanksgiving, but I know a lot of you do. If executed properly, maybe with a baked approach, it has the potential to be one of the most prominent flavors in this lineup. Unfortunately, there’s an innumerable amount of flat, meh macaroni and cheese dishes out there. I don’t place less value on any other position.

CF – Sweet Potatoes with Marshmallows. Yeah, I said it. This flavor explosion will leave you begging for more. You get the starchy mouthfeel you want, and then BOOM! You get popped with sweet pineapple, and roasted marshmallows to finish it off. It’s a star.

RF – Creamy Butternut Squash/Pumpkin/Sweet Potato/Cauliflower Soup. Pick whatever flavor you want, but if you don’t have a good one, you’re just lacking something celebrating the season. It doesn’t have to be heavy, either. It just has to have caramelized onion in the base and be made with the flavor that reminds you of the best time of year.

Bench – Biscuits, Rolls, and Cornbread. You sorta need them, I guess, but I’m not touching this plate with all the other stuff on the table.

Manager – Green bean casserole, which just celebrated its 60th birthday. It’s old, and everyone has an opinion about it, even if they’ve never given it a try.

That’s it. Go try to enjoy your family. Happy Thanksgiving!

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  1. Romus

    November 26, 2015 07:00 PM

    AD….not to nit-pick…still top ten and also, Philly is media market size….number 4.
    1 New York, NY
    2 Los Angeles, CA
    3 Chicago, IL
    4 Philadelphia, PA

    5 Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX
    6 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA
    7 Boston (Manchester), MA-NH
    8 Washington (Hagerstown), DC-MD
    9 Atlanta, GA
    10 Houston, TX
    www.newsgeneration.com/broadcast-resources/top-100-radio-markets/

      • Adam Dembowitz

        November 28, 2015 12:20 AM

        “With a still-fantastic stadium, a new television contract in one of the 10 largest U.S. media markets, and enormous payroll flexibility for both 2016 and beyond, the Phillies are as financially healthy as any non-Dodger team in the sport.”

        Not sure what I’m missing here…

  2. Phans Suck

    November 26, 2015 10:23 PM

    Heyward is exactly the type of athlete that the front running, numb nut philly fans love to make miaerable. Quiet/cool & does a lot of under the radar type valuable things. If I were his agent I’d advise against philly & ownership may well find a better match(es) for $200+ million.

    • Steve

      November 27, 2015 06:15 AM

      You pretty much just described Utley, Halladay, Moyer, Cooch, Ibanez, Polanco, Rowand and quite a few other players the Phillies have had over the last 10 years. All players that were appreciated, if not loved, by the fans. Yes, Abreu was never fully appreciated fot his on gield performance. He caught a lot of criticism, and was somewhat run out of town. That was one circumstance, at a time when analytics were not fully appreciated and when frustration in Philly was very high.
      Phillies fans absolutely appreciate the quiet type who plays the game the right way.

      • Andrew R.

        November 27, 2015 08:05 AM

        I’ll piggyback your comment and say that part of the reason Philly fans got on Abreu was because he seemed like he didn’t care. There were always two schools of thought with Bobby. 1. He made it look easy and he was so smooth. Or 2, he could’ve been even better if he played harder.

        The reason why phillies fans loved Utley, Halladay, Chooch, Moyer, Ibanez and Rowand was because they were quiet, but passionate. Utley, Chooch, and Rowand would sacrifice their bodies for the ball. Halladay took less money to come here because he wanted to win. Moyer and Ibanez were absolute professionals.

        As for Heyward, I’d love to see the Phil’s get him. Overpay and throw in an opt-out after 5 years. He’ll be 31 at that point. Even if his talent is wasted here for 2 years while we rebuild, we’ll still have him for 3 until he opts out.

      • Brother(ley) Love

        November 27, 2015 12:42 PM

        But Heyward is black & a smooth athlete that doesn’t look like he runs or moves like his hair is on fire. Hit doesn’t hit an outrageous amount of dingerz, is prone to semi-long slumps from time to time and his BA takes a dip from time to time. Not sure if you ever watched Heyward play, but to comp him to Utley & Rowand is way off base.
        P.S.: Utley was booed last year at CBP from time to time….

    • Steve

      November 28, 2015 05:30 PM

      I didnt say Heyward was the same as Utley or Rowand. I said they all shared some attributes. Specifically, they are all quiet and do a lot of the “little things” that make baseball players (and the teams they are on) better, but can go unnoticed by some people. There are major differences in all three players’ games, i was simply commenting on the attibutes that Phan said would be unappreciated in Philly.

  3. Paul

    November 27, 2015 10:24 AM

    One key point in the Abreu comparison that is SORELY missed – including in the other comments: Abreu was a defensive slug (his Gold Glove is still mentioned around these parts with heavy sarcasm). Heyward has three GG’s legitimately, and that adds significantly to his value. And with true perennial Gold Glove defense, I don’t think the fans will turn on him the way other commenters are indicating. Even in his worst offensive year (2011, his sophomore campaign), he had a WAR in the mid 2’s. Is that worth 10/$250M? Is anyone?

    The way I look at it is, signing Heyward is basically replacing the hole that occurred when Domonic Brown didn’t rise to expectations. Honestly, it’s a hole we’ve had since Jayson Werth (solid defense, and excellent OBP guy with good power) left. The offense just hasn’t been the same since, and I think Heyward is step 1 towards building a championship franchise at the Major League level.

    • Andrew R.

      November 27, 2015 12:52 PM

      I agree. The goal for next year is to get better. I don’t care about 1.1 picks. I want us to be a better team on all sides of the ball. Jason Heyward is definately a piece that will do that and for years to come. I think he’s a guy the Phillies should seriously peruse.

      • Steve

        November 27, 2015 07:02 PM

        The goal for next year is not to get better in 2016 if it comes at the expense of the future. We are getting there, but its not time to make those moves. If things work in our favor and a majority of the Crawford, Williams, Quinn, Alfaro, Knapp, Thompson, Eflin, Kilome, Randolph group take big steps forward then 2017 may be the time to think about win now players. Thats not to say i dont want Heyward. He is a win now and win for the next 5-7 years type player IMO. Also, he would cost us the 2.1 not the 1.1. But i would be hesitant to give up big money and a compensation pick for anyone else available this year

      • Andrew R.

        November 28, 2015 07:59 AM

        Steve, I didn’t necessarily mean next year’s (2016) draft pick. I’m looking further down the line. I don’t want the 2017, 1.1 pick because that means we were the worst team in baseball again.

        To me, Heyward is the only guy worth giving up a 2.1 pick for. I would love to see the Phil’s sign Heyward and Maeda. Maeda is the type of guy you take a chance on. He only costs money, and what if he is a decent #3 or even a #4? We need arms. Even mediocre pitchers are receiving the QO. Here would be a truly “free” agent. The team has money, spend it. I don’t care about the payroll. I don’t care about the luxury tax down the road. Did ticket prices go down this year? Nope. Spend it and spend it wisely. These are two guys who would be smart moves.

      • Steve

        November 28, 2015 05:38 PM

        Yeah, im with you. I dont want the team to tank, i just dont want them to jeopardize the future for an extra 5 wins in ’16. I dont love Madea, but i do think He could be a 3 or 4 and you are right, we have pleanty of money. I havent seen any projections but id go 5 yrs at 80 – 100 mil.

    • Romus

      November 27, 2015 02:48 PM

      Heyward would certainly be a plus addition to the team. With him in RF , Herrera in CF and Altherr patrolling LF, that OF defense is 2nd only to the Pirate OF and could be better when it comes to metrics and SABR SDI measurements.
      But all three have some warts at the plate.

      • A2000

        November 27, 2015 05:05 PM

        Herrera’s UZR or whatnot stats might be good, but he is in no way a superior CF glove. He’s ok. His best attribute is being a site for sore eyes after being subjected to noodle, drunk route Ben out there.

      • Romus

        November 27, 2015 06:05 PM

        I can only go by what SABR and other metric ratings that are available …right now somewhere around 7th or so best CF in MLB behind Kevin Kiermaier, Kevin Pillar, Lorenzo Cain, Mike Trout, AJ Pollock, and Billy Hamilton.

      • Steve

        November 27, 2015 06:48 PM

        He’s also played CF for all of one year. I suppose you could argue that last year was a fluke, or that he is bound to improve with more experience, but im leaning toward the latter. I also expect his offense to be better than three of those top 7 CF.

  4. 100Bucks

    November 27, 2015 08:08 PM

    I’d like to see the Phillies get Heyward, he is a rare find as a 26 y/o FA. You only need to look across the parking lots at the Sixers to see what happens when you tank more than one season – your young players fail to develop. Young talent will not develop into winners if they learn to be losers. Losers don’t give the extra effort that keeps a line drive from becoming a hit. They don’t bear down at the plate and foul off close pitches because they know the team needs to start a rally. When your team stinks, it is nearly impossible to give extra effort. To develop a winning core the team needs some talent. You don’t go from 90 losses to 90 wins in a season. It is going to take a few years, time to get started.

    • Bob

      November 28, 2015 12:10 AM

      The Sixers have not failed to develop their youths. There is growth in the games of Nerlens Noel, Jerami Grant, Hollis Thompson, Jakarr Sampson, and RoCo. TJ McConnell, Christian Wood, Jahlil Okafor, and Richaun Holmes are rookies. Marshall, Wroten, Embiid and Landry are injured. The Warriors tanked to keep the Harrison Barnes pick and were terrible as Curry, Thompson and Green developed. The Warriors won a championship with those guys. The OKC Thunder were completely terrible losing 50 games and now they’re perennial contenders. Blake Griffin and the Clippers were awful and now they”re playoff team. Boston tanked and were able to flip their assets for KG and J. Shuttlesworth. San Antonio tanked for Tim Duncan and now have won five championships. The losing did not affect those teams.

      Can we stop with these basketball analogies that are completely untrue?

      • Andrew R.

        November 28, 2015 07:51 AM

        That’s basketball, bob. The Nationals pretty much tanked not only for Stephen strasburg, but also Bryce Harper. How’s that working out? I’m sure there are many other teams in the nba that have tanked and have failed in gat strategy as well. I don’t follow basketball at all, but how many years have the sixers tanked now? 2? 3? That’s a terrible strategy. Losing on purpose…

      • Bob

        November 28, 2015 10:05 AM

        If you have an issue with the basketball analogy, take it up with 100Bucks. He’s not one who made it – not me.

        Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper are better than any player the Phillies have in their system. And they’re young and will be good for years to come. Harper is a 23 year old five tool MVP. Strasburg, when not injured, is one of the best pitchers in the National League. I’d say the Nationals did very well in tanking. The losing doesn’t seem to have affected these elite players. They’re still amazing.

        You don’t follow basketball at all, so you have no context and no idea what you’re talking about. The Sixers will tank until they get a superstar. The only way to win in the NBA is to get multiple superstars on your team and for a second-tier city like Philadelphia in terms of attracting FAs, the only way to do so is through the draft. A terrible strategy is what the Phillies did last year. Being so incompetent from top to bottom that, in trying to win, they came in last. Your point doesn’t make any sense because the Phillies were the worst team in baseball. So wouldn’t that losing atmosphere detrimentally affect our youths in the same vein it does to Sixers?

        Stick to baseball.

    • Andrew R.

      November 28, 2015 07:48 AM

      100bucks hits it right on the head. And that’s exactly why you go out and sign Heyward. There aren’t any other free agents that can give us legitimacy the way he does. Why would we want to build a losing culture? For what? Draft picks? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

      What if Herrera takes a step backwards? What if Quinn, Williams, and Altherr just don’t pan out the way we hope. Then where are we at after 2016? We’re going to be looking back and wondering why we didn’t sign Heyward. I don’t count on guys who had some success at double A to be solid major leaguers. There’s just too many things that can wrong. I can be hopeful. I can say that galvis is keeping shortstop warm for Crawford, but how many positions can we do that for? At some point, you’ve got to get somebody who can play. And with our bankroll, Heywards skill set and youth, it makes sense.

  5. Steve (Tampa)

    November 28, 2015 07:56 AM

    The Phillies cannot even be certain that RF will be an area of concern heading into 2017, and $250 million is a ridiculous amount to invest into an area that might not be an area of need. I also don’t necessarily want to rush into overpaying for Heyward when we’re certain to need $400 million or more to sign two front-end starters when we’re ready to contend in 2017. Heyward is a great player, but the trendline on his ceiling has been moving downward for years now. I’ll pass

    • Andrew R.

      November 28, 2015 08:01 AM

      Who’s trendline? Uptons? That’s true. Heyward is still the best bet here.

      • Steve (Tampa)

        November 28, 2015 08:18 AM

        Upton? Who said anything about Upton?

        Still, the Phillies team trendline has bottomed IMO. The 2016 squad will be far from unexciting even if they lose 95 games. I personally think they could lose nearer to 90 with or without Heyward. We’re still in a rebuild, and as you’ve mentioned, we have options to look at in Altheer, Williams and Quinn to fill out the corners. Altheer should not be so easily dismissed. He enjoyed a true breakout season last year and is still only 24. NWilliams is by most accounts your 2nd ranked prospect, and RQuinn is not far behind. Both will either start the season or see considerable action at AAA in 2016 and both will be September call-ups, Williams perhaps sooner than that. With Herrera locked down in CF, Altheer deserving of a look, and a strong candidate in NWilliams available at some point, RF is not an area of immediate need.

      • Romus

        November 28, 2015 08:42 AM

        Heyward’s 2015 season saw a rise in his plate performance….was it the Cardinal lineup surrounding him or has he turned the corner to start to live up to his billing from 2010?
        He could be the guy that all the youngsters would need to follow as the leader in the years to come. Him with JPC could be the cornerstones of the next run.
        The TV money kicks in next year with the first check of approx. $65M, so the money will be there. MacPhail/Klentak could make a big splash right away with that signing.

    • Andrew R.

      November 28, 2015 08:06 AM

      Who would you like to overpay from next year’s batch of free agent outfielders? 36- year old Jose Bautista who might receive an extension? 31-year old Carlos Gomez? Or 30-year old Jay Bruce, assuming his option isn’t picked?

      Or do you want to just wait until 2021 when mike trout becomes available?

      • Flavaflav

        November 28, 2015 12:02 PM

        He hinted that he prefers to overpay for pitching v. downtrending OF guys.

      • Steve

        November 28, 2015 06:02 PM

        This years free agent class is far better than next, but that doesnt mean you spend just to spend.
        The 2016 Phillies are bad with or without a top FA OF. Heyward though, is a special circumstance because he is young and has a skill set that should allow him to be productive even as he ages.
        The catch is this: Heyward will probably still be very good when the Phillies are ready to contend (2018ish), but in order for the Phillies to meet that timeline, they need some, if not most, of their top young players to develop as expected. 5 of their top 10 young offensive players are OFers. If those players do pan out, and we sign Heyward, there may be a log jam. If those players dont pan out, then Heyward is wasting away on a bad team through his prime years.
        A log jam wouldnt be the worst thing, as someone could move to first, or be traded for a SP, but as Tampa points out, we can buy a FA SP if we arent tied up by Heyward.
        Personally , id like to see Heyward in Philly, but its not my money.

      • Steve

        November 28, 2015 06:14 PM

        Andrew, why do we have to overpay a FA OF? I would be more interested in overpaying Strasburg or maybe Matt Moore than any available OF in 2017. Ill take Heyward now, but we have a better possibility of filling 3 OF spots internally than we do of filling 4 rotation spots internally ( im giving Nola a spot, but counting Eickhoff as a possibile internal option still). If i had to bet i would say our 2017 OF will look more complete than our 2017 rotation.

  6. JustBob

    November 28, 2015 08:01 PM

    Don’t get the Abreu v. Hewyard comparison at all. Besides being corner OFs who bat LH they have almost very little else in common.

    I understand some of the rationale in signing Heyward though (age, value, rep for working out and following a pretty strict diet, skill set including sound plate discipline, good baserunning, and fundamentally very sound). Does have some limitations though including his inability to hit LHP/better relief pitching, his streakiness, and the lower power production the last few years.

    He’ll certainly help a team to win now and over the next 3-4 years but the question is how well will his defensive value hold up. I just see him getting an offer that is notably bigger than 10/$200M. More like $240-$250M.

    As for the Phils, they aren’t going to even make him an offer or any other significant FA this year and even next offseason I bet. You’ll have to be happy by what they largely don’t do instead which is signing FA in their 30s to 3-4 year deals who almost inevitably turn out to be bad bets.

    The Phils haven’t come out and said they are ‘tanking’ but instead ‘rebuilding.’ Secretly think they are going to ‘tank’ this year and possibly even ’17 too as ensure they have high draft picks & signing bonus pools even as some of their talent starts to matriculate at the MLB level. Taking some very nice profits over the next 2 years too will quietly be a nice bonus too as they rebuild too.

    It probably won’t make a bunch of fans happy but I bet the Phils are playing a really long-hand strategy to try to set themselves up via another extended run well into the 2020s ala what they did in the late 90s/early 00s.

    • Steve

      November 29, 2015 07:20 AM

      I dont think the Phillies are “tanking” but maybe that depends on your definition. I doubt management is going to tell the manager or players to lose on purpose. They may refrain from improving the roster via free agency but i do expect them to be active in the IFA market. I dont think they are going hold back prospects who are ready to advance. Obviously service time will be monitored, but thats common practice, not tanking. Finally, once some of the young core prospects prove they are ready to contribute, i expect management to use fee agency to fill in the roster around them. That may be as soon as 2017, but 2018 is probably more realistic (which is what theyve said from the beginning)
      Some fans may be turned off by their 99 losses this year and probably 90 some losses next year. Anyone who is realistic has to realize that going from 90+ losses to 90+ wins in one year, or even two, is not probable. The 2016 Phillies may not win many more games, but they should significantly more exciting. We will get to follow Franco, Herrera, Altherr, Nola, Eickhoff, Hellickson, and Giles all season. Thats already better than last year. I would expect either Williams or Crawford (if not both) to come up in September. I wont be suprised if one young SP gets called up mid way through the season and get a chance to prove he can stay for good. And i expect either Knapp or Alfaro to see significant time at the end of 16, as one will needto be on the roster in ’17.
      Thats half of you future infield, half of you future OF, and half of your future rotation (but no true ace) in the majors at some point next year.

      • JustBob

        December 02, 2015 10:58 AM

        No team would ever tell their players to ‘lose on purpose’ but yeah if the Phils run a bottom 5 MLB payroll this year for the first time since ’88 they are silently tanking.

        Righ now this is a roster that will push 95-100 losses again because of the horrid projected starting rotation (Nola, Hellickson, Eickoff, whoever wins the last 2 jobs in camp). Even with another starting pitching upgrade similar to Hellickson, this is going to be a weak rotation without any injuries. With an injury or two to one of the better starters and they are looking for the Correias of the world again by June.

      • Steve

        December 02, 2015 09:40 PM

        I will have to agree to disagree with you on this one. Im not sure how the size of the payroll correlates to any decisin to tank. The only expensive free agent that makes even a little sense long term is Heyward. I dont disagree that the rotation is bad, but signing a long term deal for 100 mil+ will set the rebuild back more than it will help. I expect them to acquire at least 2 more SP, but probably not a big splash.

  7. Shane

    November 30, 2015 11:08 AM

    Heyward is NOT worth $25,000,000 a year.
    He has likely already peaked in his abilities. The ‘roid era of constant improvement are history. B-Ref says his #2 comparable through age 25 is Jeff Francoeur. (#1 Lloyd Moseby)

    J-Hey is what he is: Below average power, above average discipline, and excellent fielding.
    What do you pay that guy? Make him an offer because he’s better than what we have, but only for what he’s worth and pay performance bonuses if he does better. Let someone else shower money on him if they wish.

  8. Steve

    December 02, 2015 07:36 AM

    Willin Rosario elected FA after he was designated. I know we have Cooch and Rupp on the books, and Alfaro and Knapp knocking on on the door, but this is a guy I would be interested in. He’s only 26, he can play some 1b, hes shown he can be better than league average offensively (for a catcher), and could at least be a nice flip piece if he can bounce back. He will only cost money, and probably not all that much. I think he would a better option at 1b than Ruf in the event that Howard is moved, but even if it means we have to cut Ruiz or Ruf, I think I would be OK with that.

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