Don’t Forget About Ben Revere

Ben Revere never played in the second half in his first year with the Phillies due to a broken foot suffered against the White Sox just before the All-Star break. It’s easy to forget about him, especially since he got off to such a slow start, hitting just .200 with a .456 OPS through the end of April. And he’s not the type of player who will impact MLB odds of winning a championship.

But from the start of May up until his injury, Revere hit .347 with a .380 on-base percentage, stealing 17 bases in 23 attempts. Despite some very questionable routes to balls and as weak an arm as you will find in the Majors, Revere provided value on the defensive side of things as well, using his speed to track balls down in the gap.

(Fly balls caught by Phillies’ defenders)

Revere provided 2.6 Wins Above Replacement to the Twins in 2012 and he was well on his way to another 2-WAR season with the Phillies prior to the injury, per Baseball Reference. While Phillies fans are used to a significantly above-average player in center, as Shane Victorino was the main man in center from 2006 through the trade deadline in 2012, average center fielders are hard to come by. For example, despite hitting for very little power (.048 ISO), Revere ranked 23rd of 39 center fielders in weighted on-base average, among those with at least 300 PA in 2013.

The Phillies will go into the off-season looking to add at least one outfielder. Among them are players capable of playing center, such as free agent Shin-Soo Choo. Revere will enter his first of four years of arbitration eligibility, so the Phillies have a young, cheap, cost-controlled center fielder under their control through 2017. There are only a handful of players that should force the Phillies to bump Revere out of center, and none of them will be available in free agency this off-season. As unexciting as it sounds, Revere should be a featured part of the Phillies’ roster in 2014, especially if he can repeat what he did in May, June, and early July last season.

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  1. joecatz

    October 06, 2013 02:35 PM

    what i mean is McCann gets plugged into the middle of the lineup as another Lh bat that cant hit LH pitching. if he makes 15mm a year, vs chooch making 8, thats an additional 7mm you can spend elsewhere.

    look at it like this.

    If you get 3 wins out of a corey hart at 10mm and 2.5 out of chooch at 8mm thats 5.5 wins.

    if you get 3 out of mccann at 15mm you have to find a 2.5 win player for 3mm good luck.

  2. Larry

    October 06, 2013 03:52 PM

    You won’t get that out of Chooch. You are thinking that he can be that guy without cheating, which is wrong. In a fair game, Chooch is a pedestrian player. McCann can give you an allstar type player. Chooch will go downhill without PEDs and his age. McCann will be a nice upgrade. McCann gives you a much better chance to be a contender next year. In our ballpark, CBP, we need more guys that can hit HRs, especially if we retain guys like no power Revere and JRoll. The Phillies will have a much better chance to be a contender with McCann and Ellsbury. They can afford it Joe. The TV contract is coming up. RAJ’s job is on the line. He has to go all in.

  3. Ginner207

    October 06, 2013 04:42 PM

    I know I’m way late on here, but if RAJ was able to get Ellsbury for around 15-18 mil/year.. couldn’t he play a corner outfield position. Why would Ben Revere have to move to a corner?

  4. Joecatz

    October 06, 2013 05:44 PM


    Ruiz was worth 1.4 wins in 92 games. McCann was worth McCann was worth 2.7 in 102. McCann is at best a one win upgrade. And he’s not worth what he’s gonna get.

    What your missing here is how much more value you get taking that additional money and spending it elsewhere.

  5. LTG

    October 06, 2013 07:47 PM

    I’d just like to point out that “P can x” and “P does not x” do not contradict. I would have thought this goes without saying, but then…

  6. LTG

    October 06, 2013 10:40 PM


    All the evidence points to Ellsbury being the superior defender in CF.

  7. hk

    October 07, 2013 06:45 AM


    These debates often come down to what we think the team SHOULD do vs. what we think the TEAM will do. TO be clear, when you are making suggestions based on signing LH hitters vs. RH hitters when discussing signing free agents, are you saying the Phils should or will sign the guy who hits LHP’s better?

  8. joecatz

    October 07, 2013 09:07 AM


    I’m not big on the whole idea of “needing” a RH bat. The reason Burrell and Werth were so good came down to the fact that they both killed LHP but at the same time, were extremely high OBP wOBA guys vs RHP.

    thats the kind of RHB THEY NEED. That said, going out and signing, say, Saltalamachia, who’s a switch hitter, but OPS’d at .628 ws LHP is counterproductive.

    I tend to look at the player individually. My biggest problem with Brian McCann is that he mashes RHP but against LHP hes absolutely horrible.

    What the Phillies CANT do is go out and sign a LHB that can’t hit lefties and plug him into a lineup between Howard, Utley and Brown. Thats a late inning loogy disaster in close games.

    that said, I think the Phillies WILL sign or trade for a RHB without question, and I think they should worry less about handedness and more about splits.

  9. joecatz

    October 07, 2013 09:08 AM

    that said I think the team will resign and should resign Ruiz, and I think that any other catcher save MAYBE Dioner Navarro is a bad fit for this team.

  10. hk

    October 07, 2013 10:09 AM


    I am not big on the whole idea of needing a RH bat either, especially if Sandberg is willing to PH for their LH bats vs. LOOGY’s. If they sign McCann, Sandberg better be willing to PH for him (and Howard, for that matter) against LOOGY’s. If the line-up is something like Utley, Howard, McCann and Brown 3 through 6 vs. a RH starter and they’re willing to PH for Howard and McCann, any LOOGY would have to face Utley followed by 2 RH hitters before facing Brown.

    Having said that, I do not want them to sign McCann either, but more because I think Chooch will prove to be the better value signing when factoring years, cost and the lost 2nd round draft choice (plus slot money). The new CBA has actually made high 2nd round draft choices into fairly valuable assets that can be used strategically in multiple ways depending upon what the team does in the 1st round.

  11. Larry

    October 07, 2013 10:13 AM


    “2013 vs RHB:

    Chooch .767 OPS
    McCann: 869 OPS

    Your 2013 stats are wrong.

    2013 vs RHB:

    Chooch .636 OPS
    McCann .869 OPS

    “17 of McCanns 20 HRs came against RHP. He literally should be platooned against LHP.”

    Career wise he has had:

    VS lefty 1177 ABs 44 HRs
    VS Righty 2686 ABs 132 HRs

    Dom Brown career:

    VS Lefty 243 ABs 7 HRs
    VS Righty 686 ABs 32 HRs

    Chase Utley career

    VS Lefty 1530 ABs 64 HRs
    vs Righty 3380ABS 153 HRs

    VS Lefty Dom hits a HR 1 out of every 34.71 ABs

    VS Lefty McCann hits a HR 1 out of every 26.75 ABs

    VS Lefty Chase hits a HR 1 out of every 23.90 ABs

    Maybe they should all be platooned in your eyes?

    Also McCann career BABIP vs lefty + righty .289

    2013 BABIP vs lefty was only .266

  12. Larry

    October 07, 2013 10:21 AM

    The low BABIP this year might be the reason for the low OPS this year.

  13. BeezNutz

    October 07, 2013 10:44 AM

    Just trade Dominic Brown now while we still can.

    I know most of you will disagree but he sucks

  14. joecatz

    October 07, 2013 01:59 PM



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