Salisbury: Phillies to announce manager change with 2:30 PM press conference

It sounds like the Charlie Manuel era in Philadelphia will draw to a close shortly. Via CSN Philly’s Jim Salisbury:


Recently, Manuel expressed interest in continuing to manage, so it seems as if GM Ruben Amaro simply wasn’t interested in moving forward with Manuel at the helm. Third base coach Ryne Sandberg is presumed to be the successor, but that is simply speculation.

Manuel has won 780 games and lost 636 (.531). The team’s victory over the Braves on Monday was the 1,000th of Manuel’s managerial career.

We have certainly disagreed with some of Manuel’s decisions over the years, but the Phillies’ failure, particularly between last year and this year, have not been his fault. As storybook as it would have been to let him go out on a high note and under his own power, the final 42 games are likely to be just as painful as the 24 since the All-Star break in which the team has gone 5-19. It seems like the organization knew they would not move forward with Manuel, but waited for him to get win #1,000 to make the change.

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  1. nik

    August 16, 2013 12:47 PM

    1 down, 1 to go.

  2. yo

    August 16, 2013 12:50 PM

    That’s an upgrade at 3rd base coach

  3. Yardbird

    August 16, 2013 01:01 PM

    Don’t see how a managerial change fixes the farm system, pitching and defense.

  4. Ruin Tomorrow Jr.

    August 16, 2013 01:03 PM

    Oh no … I am going to be next!!!!

  5. Matt

    August 16, 2013 01:12 PM

    Agreed. Cholly’s had to work with what he was given to work with. Fall guy.

    That said, I’m wondering why they continue to play MYoung, and to a lesser extent Chooch. If we’re going different directions in 2014, should they be auditioning some kids from the system — however iffy that system might be?

  6. Ryan's Hopeless

    August 16, 2013 01:14 PM

    Well now we can get past the media’s pleading for Ryan Sandberg to get a managerial position. He can prove to be as overrated as a managerial prospect as he was as a ballplayer. Besides Ron Santo and Gary Carter, he may be least worthy Hall of Fame inductee in the last 25 years.

  7. EricL

    August 16, 2013 01:15 PM

    Nik, I’d argue that it’s more like 1 down, 7 or so to go, seeing as ownership is like as much the problem as the general manager. They’re the ones who hire those guys, so while it might feel good for them to fire Amaro, the same group that hired him is going to be picking his successor.

    And, yo, I’m actually a big fan of aggressive 3B coaches. See this: www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10073

  8. steve

    August 16, 2013 01:17 PM

    They could have easily waited till the season was over, what a sham. Way to draw more attention to how miserable it’s become so fast for the Phillies.

  9. SteveH

    August 16, 2013 01:24 PM

    @Steve

    I agree about waiting till the season was over. It brings up the question of what if anything happened over the off day yesterday behind closed doors.

  10. bubba0101

    August 16, 2013 01:25 PM

    Thanks for the memories Charlie.

  11. NavyJoe

    August 16, 2013 01:29 PM

    I’d argue Kirby Puckett is the least deserving guy.

  12. Rodger

    August 16, 2013 01:34 PM

    1. Charlie Manuel was a fine manager when the Phils were flying high. Now he is out of touch with his players. How could he keep playing Ryan Howard and John Lannan on bad knees? Knees do not fix themselves. The Phils are suffering an inordinate number of injuries even with their younger players. the Phils have had too many players tainted by PEDs. It is time for Charlie to depart.

    2. Any new manager will still be captive to the decision making of RAJ. Not only does he make terrible decisions, he is unlucky. Ben Revere was looking like a good move until he broke his foot. It’s hard to think of one mover RAJ has made that has worked out. Why would any team keep a walking jinx as GM?

    3. Everyone talks defense, pitching and farm system. They are all problems but the most fundamental issue is that for the past 3 years the Phils have not been able to hit. Players come to the Phils and stop hitting. That has to be priority one for the new manager. If you do not score runs you lose!!!

  13. Pencilfish

    August 16, 2013 01:42 PM

    Charlie’s decision-making led to a few losses too, so to say everyone but the manager contributed to the failure is not a realistic assessment.

    Charlie is just another member of the organization paying for the failures of the past 2 years. Nix, DY and now Charlie. There will be more. Stay tuned.

  14. yo

    August 16, 2013 01:44 PM

    if the phillies had a better manager, they could’ve been 55-65

  15. J Urban

    August 16, 2013 02:52 PM

    Ryne Sandberg finally gets his chance, he played hard and was WELL DESERVED of his Hall of Fame Induction. Should the Phillies choose to go with Sandberg next year it could well prove to be their smartest move in a long time.

  16. Brian

    August 16, 2013 02:57 PM

    I’m actually pretty happy about this move. Rube has his own issues, but Charlie further compounds the problem.

    I think this will help this team. Hopefully, Sandberg won’t be committed to keeping guys like MYoung/Howard on the field when it isn’t necessary, and hopefully he’ll be able to use a bullpen in a non-antiquated manner.

  17. TomG

    August 16, 2013 03:05 PM

    .551

  18. Ken Bland

    August 16, 2013 03:21 PM

    I think an area Charlie failed in was coaxing Ruben off his seemingly steadfast belief that this is a talented ballclub. I think the followup question is if Charlie couldn’t do that, can Ryno do it in under 2 months? Forgetting Ruben’s seemingly good sized ego, I don’t know if anyone could.

    I had hoped that if the change was true, interim would befit Ryno. I wish him well, but I lean toward more surprised than not if he extends into a full contract.

    First impressions are usually good to fall back on. I don’t know, in this case, but that’s mine.

  19. Murph

    August 16, 2013 03:29 PM

    It was time. Nine years running a professional sports team is a loooooong time in today’s sports world. So change is good. I don’t know whether Sandberg is the right guy but he took a surprising turn for a Hall of Famer (deserved or not) to begin coaching in the low minors and work himself up. He deserves the shot as much as anyone.

    Charlie wasn’t perfect. Of course all of us geniuses here in the blogosphere would have proven to be a much greater manager than Manuel. But none of us can change the truth of one fact–he is indisputably the most succesful manager (by an order of magnitude) in the history of the franchise. For someone who grew up watching Skinner, Myatt, Lucchesi, Felske, Elia, Leyva, etc., I tip my hat to the guy. His teams won games, consistently, for a long time. I guess that is what a manager is supposed to encourage. Thanks to Charlie. Good luck to the next guy.

  20. jauer

    August 16, 2013 04:20 PM

    Yes, if the Phillies had a better manager, they’d be around 55-65.

    And if they had a better manager in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012, this team could easily have 1-2 more World Series

  21. KH

    August 16, 2013 04:24 PM

    Jauer, a manager does not have that big of an effect on a team.

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