Players react to the firing of Charlie Manuel

We’ll certainly hear from the core members of the team like Chase Utley and Jimmy Rollins later, but some took to Twitter after this afternoon’s press conference to opine on the firing of manager Charlie Manuel.

Michael Stutes:

Justin De Fratus:

Kevin Frandsen:

Former Phillies reliever Scott Eyre:

Cole Hamels:

Matt Stairs:

 

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  1. Sainthubbins

    August 16, 2013 03:17 PM

    All I took from this article was that Scott Eyre’s profile picture is awesome.

  2. NickFromGermantown

    August 16, 2013 03:54 PM

    Whether you like Manuel or not, this is a disgrace. Let him play out the season. I don’t care if he was replaced with the greatest manager ever. The Phillies are lucky to have as many wins as they do with this roster. Falling into the trap of thinking the Phillies were a playoff contender after their cupcake pre-All Star Break schedule would be just plain dumb. Manuel didn’t lose this team. He didn’t have anything to work with. At least let him have the dignity to play out the season and hopefully come around to understanding that it was time to go.

    Unless Manuel pushed back against playing younger guys, what’s the harm of letting him finish the season out? Furthermore, this is a classic scapegoating move that allows Amaro to buy more time in his current role. It’s Amaro being a bad manager trying to cover his tracks. This means more Amaro. And upper management apparently bought into the nonsense.

  3. Robby Bonfire

    August 16, 2013 04:12 PM

    Worst manager in the history of Major League Baseball, retained eight years too long. Enough said.

  4. WayneKerrins

    August 16, 2013 04:35 PM

    2 ways to look at this:
    Amaro deflecting attention to save his own @rse; or
    Hard headed decision to use 40 dead games to see if Sandberg as ML manager can cut it.
    Given that there was no outcry for Cholly’s head even in the more demanding arenas such as this, I’m reading it as the latter.
    Trouble is how can anyone prove they can cut it with this bunch? Good luck Ryne…

  5. Phil Ease

    August 16, 2013 05:03 PM

    @ NickFromGermantown

    Amen, brother. Well said.

  6. bharring

    August 16, 2013 05:22 PM

    This sounds like a 42 game tryout for Sandberg. If they were more sure of him, they would let Charlie finish out the year. I half expect someone totally new in the dugout next spring.

  7. Bill

    August 16, 2013 06:02 PM

    Fire Amaro. This is all his fault!!!

  8. hhoran

    August 16, 2013 07:33 PM

    From all evidence Charlie’s biggest contribution was his skill at handling elite and veteran players–protecting them from the outside world, making them feel wanted and comfortable–to the point where Philadelphia became the place where top free agents most wanted to come. No way to measure this, but for many years this value appeared to greatly outweighed the game management issues that probably cost the team 2-3 wins a year. Unfortunately the world changed, and the value of high priced talent dropped significantly beginning 4-5 years ago so the value of making Lee and Papelbon feel comfortable has also fallen. The widespread view is that the Phillies front office haven’t grasped these changes, and can’t figure a way to produce consistently decent teams in today’s world. This raises a chicken-egg question—how much of the team’s collapse was driven by Amaro and Montgomery’s thinking, and how much of the free agent dependence, farm system/development neglect, and the tendency to hold back economical younger players with signings like Michael Young and Juan Pierre was because the front office was giving Charlie the players he said he wanted? The buck obviously stops at the front office, but was Charlie 10% of the problem or 60% of the problem? Despite our collective reluctance to give RAJ the benefit of the doubt, is today’s firing evidence of Change We Can Believe In, as opposed to the ass-covering we’ve come to expect? Did RAJ come to understand that Charlie’s love of veterans was a key part of the problem? Did Charlie’s lack of enthusiasm for the belated youth movement get to the point where it was damaging the process? Is RAJ suddenly realizing that Sandberg would have been a great choice for the Phillies 5-10 years ago, but he might really need a Dave Martinez-type in 2004? If he lets Charlie play out the string, he’s virtually locked in Sandberg for next year, but the 42-game trial might give him the option to make a bigger change.

  9. hk

    August 16, 2013 07:34 PM

    Good to see you back commenting on here Robby Bonfire.

  10. Robby Bonfire

    August 16, 2013 07:59 PM

    Thanks for the welcome, back, HK, for as long as I am welcome here. I do tend to wear out my welcome, everywhere I go. That can’t entirely be the fault of others. Really surprised anyone here would even remember me, it has been such a long respite.

  11. pedro3131

    August 16, 2013 08:54 PM

    As much as I and others have advocated for it, it’s still a sad day. While his real talent was in enabling great players to play great, he still was at the helm for the greatest period of Phillies baseball in my lifetime.

  12. Mike B.

    August 16, 2013 10:18 PM

    It’s all about a 40-something game tryout for Ryno. Charlie is the scapegoat for RAJ’s mistakes. He deserved better than this.

  13. SC

    August 16, 2013 10:35 PM

    @robby

    I can tell right off the bat you are one of many imbecilic trolls who live this life of keyboard warrior doing your best to represent your exciting weekend life by trolling for reactions? Whatever gets you off kiddo, but at least get the facts straight.

  14. SC

    August 16, 2013 10:48 PM

    @hhoran

    It’s always interesting to hear from those who claim Charlie’s “game management issues that probably cost the team 2-3 wins a year” however true that may or may not be, do show me just one MLB manager in the history of the game that hasn’t made one. It’s always easy to point out what worked and what didn’t in hindsight, but let’s please drop the pretentiousness?

  15. hk

    August 17, 2013 09:21 AM

    SC,

    What facts are you referring to? Robby’s no troll and he just stated his opinion. Isn’t lively debate of people with differing opinions the point of these boards?

  16. Robby Bonfire

    August 17, 2013 11:15 AM

    When you make the statement that a man is “The worst manager in Major League Baseball history,” you should be able to back it up with some salient facts, so here is just a sampling…

    1. Gave Terry Adams the ball in relief 16 times in his month and a half here in 2005, when he posted a 13 run(!) ERA. Mercifully, Ed Wade sent Adams packing at that point, because Manuel never quit on pitchers and players who could not get the job done. We know from his history that he would have been calling on Adams the entire year, had Adams remained with the club. Adams blew two games in relief and the Phillies missed the post-season by one game, that year.

    2. Gave then 37 year-old Raul Ibanez exactly ONE game off in the month of August, when Ibanez was exhausted and dragging, so that he produced just 4 RBI’s that month.

    3. Stayed with Rollins as his lead off hitter for several years. In 2005, to cite just one example, Rollins had an OBP of circa, .310, and an actual OBP when leading off an inning of .265. I maintained that stat the entire year, so I know that for a fact.

    This is just one example of dozens, of Manuel not holding players to any standard of performance. Between Manuel’s bizarre mis-handling of both Adams and Rollins in 2005, this has to go down as the most fog-bound season any major league manager ever had.

    4. Jose Mesa was Manuel’s closer one year with an ERA of 6. Manuel, for some reason, was reluctant to see if any other member of the pitching staff could do a better job in that role.

    5. Manuel gave the ball in relief to Rheal Cormier 57 times one year when his ERA was just a shade under 6.

    6. In 2009, Manuel stayed with “He’s my guy” Brad Lidge as his closer the entire season. Lidge posted a 7-run ERA in that role on a team that was trying to repeat as World Champions. Especially grating that season was Manuel relieving with Lidge in a springtime game in Yankee Stadium, in the 9th inning of a game rookie J.A. Happ left with a two-run lead. At the time Lidge’s ERA was 8! Lidge, predictably, blew the game, and blew another game later on he was trying to save for Happ, so that Happ went 12-2 instead of 14-2 on the season, and it may well have cost Happ the ROY Award. (Just speculation.)

    7. Manuel does not know his left from his right and rarely, if ever, broke up Utley and Howard in the batting lineup by inserting a righty hitter between them. It seemed, so often, that Manuel was actually percentages managing for the other team.

    8. Manuel often would rust Papelbon for a few days, then bring him into a three run or four run lead game “because Papelbon needed the work,” rendering Papelbon lesser available and/or effective the following game.

    9. Started journeyman Joe Blanton ahead of Cliff Lee in game four of the 2009 WS, “Because we don’t know how Lee can do on three days rest” was his public rationale.

    Well we did know, before the fact, that Blanton was chopped liver for that Yankees lineup, and the Phillies never recovered from losing that game and falling behind in that Series, three games to one.

    10. Along with Ed Wade, the two of them stayed with that grunt, David Bell, for the final two unproductive years of his four-year contract, forestalling the debut of Chase Utley’s career. Really sad when an organization cannot I.D. a super-star waiting in the wings, in deference to allowing a plug like Bell to just play out his contract. Too much bottom-line focus, and not enough focus on doing everything possible to turn that corner and upgrade the position. Understanding Polanco goes to 3B while Utley takes over for Polanco at 2b, had they expedited that mandated move, sooner.

    11. Yes, the Phillies under Manuel did win it all in 2008. Now this neither I nor anyone else can prove, where it comes to intent, but it seems the Phillies benefitted from extensive umpiring bias in that WS. Remember, Tampa Bay was being offered at 40-1 odds to win it all in Nevada, as late as several weeks into that season. Las Vegas books were vulnerable to getting killed, had Tampa Bay prevailed against the Phillies.

    Tim McCarver made the cogent and telling observation in the Series-deciding game that “The home plate umpire is putting the squeeze on Steve Kazmir’s strike zone.” Also, there were several questionable calls on the basepaths that went against Tampa Bay.

    Look, sports fixes happen a lot, horse racing, boxing, baskeball, even the Super Bowl games, Jets-Colts in classic SB III, in which we subsequently learned that the Colts owner privately bet one million dollars on the Jets to cover the point spread in the book “Interference” by author Dan E. Moldea); the horrendously one-sided officiated Pittsburgh-Seattle Super Bowl after which the NFL headquarters were deluged with protests. And, back to baseball, when the Red Sox won it all in 2004, Tim McCarver, prior to the start of the sixth inning, observed: “Tony LaRussa is walking to home plate to ask the umpire why Red Sox pitchers are getting the low strike call and his pitchers are not?”

    So that, given what we know about sports-collusion history, I think it to be really stretching a point to contend that Manuel “piloted” the Phillies to their 2008 championship. It appears just as likely that Manuel and the Phillies benefitted enormously from being in the right place at the right time. When powerful, manipulative interests throw you a bone, you take it and run.

    Disagree with me all you like, now, but thanks for hearing me out….

  17. Robby Bonfire

    August 17, 2013 11:49 AM

    Important, I believe, addendum to the above. And that is: Manuel making Cliff Lee throw 120 pitches in a regular season game, (not sure about the year), after the Phillies had clinched home field advantage all the way through the playoffs.

    This is unconscionable and indefensible, and smacks of much more, than merely “incompetence.” I find this to be extremely suspicious behavior on the part of a manager – when he openly and deliberately wears-down a key member of his pitching staff just prior to post-season play.

  18. jim

    August 17, 2013 04:17 PM

    Congratulations, Charlie on a great career as the best manager the Phillies have had. However, the handwriting was on the wall after this injury-filled year and the success of the “mediocre” Atlanta Braves made this decision inevitable. May Ryno be given the same support that you had for the length of your tenure in Philly. Your players were very loyal to you and you deserve credit for the winning tradition in Philly during your stay here. The Phillies will be back but it will take time just as it did with the core who are now in decline.

  19. Robby Bonfire

    August 17, 2013 05:04 PM

    Jim -

    Of course Charlie’s players were “loyal” to him, he never replaced those who could not measure up to the production standards of the job they were well-paid to do; this with the complicity of ownership and a couple dolt GM’s named Wade and Amaro. Being a Phillies player under Manuel was like being in a union where you have job security and cannot be fired, even if your position has been rendered obsolete by technology. And like being a lifetime-position bureaucrat, never held accountable for your track record, and milking the system dry, all the while.

    Many of us truly appreciate the Phillies belatedly moving into the light of “the real world,” yesterday. May the organization continue to move forward in this impressive manner. Hope can now spring eternally, again, around here. For you too, and for all those unhappy with this turn of events.

  20. Brian R

    August 18, 2013 08:17 AM

    I don’t think anyone can reasonably claim that Charlie was a good or even average tactician but the fact is that baseball management decisions are so bound by tradition that 90% of the time any manager would do the exact same thing. Unless you have a rare brilliant (Tony LaRussa) or exceptionally innovative manager (Joe Maddon), the fact is that it makes relatively little difference how good your strategy is. It’s mostly a matter of can you lead the clubhouse and do players want to play for you. Larry Bowa wasn’t anything special as a tactician but he was probably slightly better than Charlie, but that didn’t matter because no one wanted to play for him.

    Don’t get me wrong, Charlie has made me crazy with his decisions. I used to go ballistic when he would sub in Michael Bourn as a defensive replacement in a 1-run game. It seemed like inevitably we’d give up the run anyway, in a manner that had nothing to do with left field defense, and then we’d have Bourn batting cleanup in extras. No question Charlie cost us a couple of wins each year with his in-game strategy and questionable lineups but I would argue he made those back from getting his guys playing hard for 162 games and comes out as an average manager.

    Either way, it’s sad to see Charlie take the fall when RAJ should be the one to go down.

  21. Dan K.

    August 18, 2013 04:56 PM

    Robby, if you’re going to cite “collusion” in the World Series and say that it clearly favored the Phillies, you’re misremembering something. How about part one of Game 5? You think it was coincidence that it was absolutely pouring and the Umps waited until AFTER the Rays tied it up to call it?

    Of course not. They waited because if it went into a delay, it would have counted as an official game and thus the league could only draw it out by waiting for the game to be tied.

  22. Robby Bonfire

    August 18, 2013 09:16 PM

    You make an excellent point. Those awful calls vs. TB, though. Phillies pitchers, however, were indisputably given the strike zone which was taken away from TB pitchers. And we all saw most if not all of the close plays on the bases get called the Phillies way. Hard to believe such incompetence could exist in the sports’ showcase event, unintentionally.

    Re the pouring rain, situation, we know that once a game begins it is in the control of the umpires, so you are right about that. However, this is big business – for Major League Baseball, for commercial television, for the advertisers, who have an enormous stake in these major sporting events, etc.

    So that while, officially, the umpires have the final say, pressures brought to bear upon them, we can be sure, are enormous, especially in our present day high tech, quick access communications era. As this debacle game progressed, were the umpires in touch with the Commissioner, and other vested financial interests, indirectly through the Commissioner?

    There is a good chance that the Commissioner, who is compromising to a fault, when it comes to the best interests of baseball (starting with expanding the playoffs from four to 10 teams, and in so doing, cheapening the integrity of the entire product, during his disgusting tenure), had a lot of controlling input, in that situation.

    Fact is, we the public can never know what really is discussed behind the scenes. The best we can do is not always take “appearances” at face value. I am thinking that maybe the rationale behind playing a truly unplayable game, was to milk the commercial log for all they could, before calling it a day.

    Thanks for your superb and timely observation.

  23. Robby Bonfire

    August 18, 2013 09:36 PM

    One more important point re the “suspicious” aspect of this World Series. If, in fact, the fix was in, it would NOT have gone thought the Commissioner’s office. Rather, the powerful people behind it would have privately “recruited” the umpires.

    Does the Nevada gaming industry quietly look after it’s own house? Of course it does. How about the legislation, passed during the Bush administration, making it illegal for banks and financial service companies like Western Union to accommodate players (gamblers) wanting to gamble online? Is that not to the enormous benefit of the U.S. gaming industry, which wants to crush the offshore competition? Does this special interest legislation not suggest a back door deal went down?

    I used to enjoy betting 50 bucks or so on a football game, online, now and then. American citizens cannot do that, anymore.

    And the agency overseeing illegal gambling in this country just busted dozens of U.S. citizens with connections and a major stake in the the Costa Rica online gaming industry, earlier this year, despite the fact that the offering of online gaming to U.S. citizens was adjudicated to be legal, by an international governing body the U.S. Government belongs to.

    Somebody, all the way to the top level, is taking care of Nevada gaming industry financial interests, to the point where getting to a few umpires to shade the outcome of a World Series is really a chicken feed project, by comparison with much the much larger stakes connected with destroying the offshore competition.

  24. Francis C

    August 24, 2013 03:42 PM

    To say Charlie Manual is the worst manager in the MLB is just foolish, somewhat retarded in fact. Your so called “facts” aren’t facts, they’re instances where he went with his own judgement and made a mistake. You can’t actually say the most successful manager in club history is the worst manager in MLB history. Those are two conflicting statements. One is a fact, the other is your opinion- backed up by loose pieces of information. Non of which makes Charlie Manual a bad manager, let alone the worst. He’s the first person to manage the Phillies to a World Series Championship since 1980. He brought them to 5 league championships as well. Now that we’ve had two losing seasons doesn’t mean you gotta jump on him for it. Just because the man put his trust in his players, whether they were in a slump or they were tired. If they told him they can do it, he didn’t doubt them. And when he saw they actually couldn’t do it, he took them out. He cared about his players and what they thought. He wanted to give them a chance to pick up their game. So that makes him a bad manager? All of the sudden the best Phillies manager in franchise history is the worst manager in MLB history? And to say that Vegas rigged the 08 World Series is just about the most reaching statement I have ever heard. Vegas has taken hits at 75:1 odds, and the umpires had their fair share of bad calls in that game too. But they weren’t biased, nor did they favor the Phillies. They made plenty of bad calls on both sides of the field. Not only that but that has nothing to do with Charlie’s managerial skills, I just had to dispute your “fact” because you obviously were watching a different game than the rest of America was. Your so called “facts” focus on single events. And you forget about his time in Philadelphia as a whole. He stood by his team, for his team. He loved everything to do with Philadelphia, and Philadelphia loved him back. You don’t know what it is to be a bad manager, nor do you have the right to call him worst. Get your “facts” right before you decide to bag on man who has brought nothing but good to the city of Philadelphia

  25. Robby Bonfire

    August 25, 2013 01:19 PM

    I find it interesting that in our society, today, young people are indoctrinated (brain-washed) into the “sensitivity-training” world of not developing a discriminatory faculty, so that they lack the discernment and capability to apprise anyone or any disintegrating situation, on merit.

    So steeped in “equality” propaganda are they that their “feelings” and “wishes” trump extensive evidence of blatant incompetence, which they have a difficult time of even comprehending.

  26. Francis C

    August 26, 2013 12:14 AM

    I’m 28… yet i still disagree with you. So what “sensitivity training” are you refereing to? I didn’t grow up in todays world. You have no extensive evidence whatsoever and half of what you’ve said against charlie and the decisions he made throughout his career in Philadelphia weren’t enough to prove him a bad manager, but they showed that he’s made mistakes from time to time He couldn’t make the correct decision every time to the opportunity had arised, he could only trust his judgement and the judgement of his players. To refer to anyone’s opinion that doesn’t agree with you as “incompetence” is pretty immature. There isn’t need for that. Every point you’ve made can be argued and every point everyone else has made can e argued, but because they argued with you, you call them “incompetent”? I grew up with no equality in my childhood, and I know that the kids today will get hit pretty hard when reality comes to face them. But I grew up with a winner, and if it was tied in the 9th inning, we kept playing, there was no tie. Charlie Manual lived to the same code, just because he wasn’t conventional doesn’t mean he’s the worst manager in MLB history. With the most wins as a manager for the Phillies in club history, I think the man deserves a little more respect than that.

  27. Barry S.

    August 27, 2013 12:06 AM

    I am 68, moved to TN in 2009 and down here only hear Atlanta Braves talk, which drives me nuts. I have followed the Phillies thru thick & thin (mostly thin) since 1956. I won a write in contest in 1956 that WIP was running, and got to be Phillies batboy for a day. I was in the dugouts of the Phillies & NY Giants on opening night at Connie Mack Stadium in 1956. Interacted with all the players, (Roberts, Ashburn, Ennis,) and the rest of the team along with Willie Mays & the Giants’ players. Needless to say this great experience I had cemented my loyalty to the Phillies from that moment on. I only get to see a few Phillies games a year down here, but I try to keep up with what’s happening. From reading the comments on this site, I would like to add mine, which will actually be a blend of some of the conflicting viewpoints I read. First of all, I want to separate Charlie into 2 endities: the person, and the manager. To me Charlie is a nice person. He treats people well and with respect, he tries to do the best job he can, and he is just a good man. (I felt bad for him when his mother died during a very important time for Charlie and the Phillies, and I respected him for the way he handled staying during an extremely difficult time for him). So as far as a human being Charlie gets high marks. As a manager, however, I never cared for Charlie. He never got the hang of being a National League manager, even when he had help. I think his blunders caused more than 4 or 5 losses per year. And yes, his questionable moves with the line-up, the handling of pitchers, and many other things were suspect. After the spoiled Phillies players led by Pat Burrel, set out to get Bowa fired, and after it actually happened I was looking forward to Jim Leland as manager at the time. Leland interviewed and was thought to be the front runner by Leland himself, the press of Philly, and the fans. But guess what, Charlie was hired. Leland wanted the job but Charlie was their man. People now forget how frustrated everyone was with Charlie for at least the first 3 or 4 years. (I wish I had some tapes of WIP conversations from then to prove my point). There were also other better qualified men at that time than Charlie. But I’ve learned over the years the Phillies have a long tradition of making the wrong move, whether it’s with managers, coaches, GM’s, or young players. I remember a young Ferguson Jenkins, who the Phillies didn’t think was that good that they shipped off to the Cubs. Also how about the young Sandburg, he was shipped off to the Cubs also in a terrible trade. I could go on and on, but it’s depressing. So I think Charlie was managing a good team that had some breaks go their way, and they rightfully were World Series Champs. But I don’t think it was because of good managing. Now let me go over to the real villains: the Phillies parade of inept, no talent, General Managers. Going all the way back to Mr. Quinn through the years to Ed Wade (who is the absolute most incompetent GM you could ever run across.) Well, Ruben Amaro, remember, learned from the master Mr. Wade. I saw Ruben Amaro Sr. play shortstop for the Phillies. Good defense, not much hitting,but he was a major leaguer. FF to Ruben Jr. who was a part time player at best, who wasn’t that good, and the Phillies have him judging talent????? How can the Phillies do anything but go downhill with him wheeling & dealing. And of course, as long as he is loyal, and doesn’t rock the boat, that group of Phillies owners will keep him at the healm for years. Which means the Phillies, once again will not contend for years. I love Philly, always did, always will, and my team is the Phillies, but things look hopeless, just like the 1964 crash that I witnessed first hand.

  28. Francis C.

    August 27, 2013 02:36 PM

    I respect your opinion sir. I feel that with the experience you’ve had with the Phillies is one that anyone who comments must respect. The points you have made cannot be disputed, nor can the fact that the Phillies, as a franchise, have made many mistakes. I’ve lived in Philly my entire life now and I grew up with baseball, watching and following the Phillies for as long as I can remember. From heart break to witnessing the first championship since 1980. The joy they have brought me, whether they were the champions or 20 games behind first place, is indescribable. I agree Charlie wasn’t the best manager, but to hear he was the worst manager in MLB history sparked an argument that I would never have given up on. That statement alone just bothered me. Would you consider Charlie to be the worst of all time? And we all know that Ruben Amaro Jr. is what anyone would consider one of the worst GM’s there is. Its as though he doesn’t understand his own job.

  29. Barry S.

    August 27, 2013 06:40 PM

    Francis C.,

    You asked me if I thought Charlie was the worst manager of all time. In NO WAY is Charlie the worst of all time. In fact over the years that I followed the Phillies, most of their managers were far worse than Charlie. There is a long list of bad managers I remember, but they were so obscure that off hand I can’t remember all their names. I’d have to go on the web and look them up. Other teams also weren’t exactly waiting in line for ex-Philly managers after they were fired or quit. A fairly recent manager who I thought was not good was Jim Fregosi, and he got all the credit for managing a good team. And after leaving the Phillies went to the American League and was considered some kind of genius. Like you I was a Phillies loyal fan win or lose, and when I was a kid, most of the time the Phillies were in last place. (And that was at the bottom of an 8 team NL.)Now to Ruben Amaro again. You said the doesn’t seem to understand his job. I agree. I also think that in addition to that, he just doesn’t have the ability to do a good job. He gets lucky once in a while, but the longer he stays the more exposed he becomes concerning his ineptness. I was upset when he sent power hitter Jason Werth packing to the Nationals. But I learned to live with that. In comes Hunter Pence. Was he an elite baseball player, of course, not. Did he make errors in right field? Yes. But one thing he did have was a great attitude, and the man hustled all the time.(He was the opposite of Rollins, who Charlie even had to bench occasionally for lack of hustle). Give me a team with an 8 player regular starting line-up full of Hunter Pence’s and whether your team came in first or last, you would witness an exciting season, fun to watch. Then Ruben sends Victorino & Pence to the West Coast, for what????? I kind of knew from that moment on, it was going to be hopeless with Amaro at the healm. I hope the Phillies do well and prove me wrong, but I’m not holding my breath.

  30. Robby Bonfire

    September 03, 2013 04:08 PM

    This is an older post, now, and not many will see it, so what I am about to state, I will repeat, given the chance in a current posting, when the time is right.

    BARRY S. – Re the duplicity of the Las Vegas Gaming Industry. Circa 2010 there was a football game played in the UNLV stadium between UNLV and Wisconsin. Thousands of people from Wisconsin made the trip to Las Vegas for that weekend and plowed huge sums on money on their Wisconsin Badgers team. So much money, in fact, that the Vegas books could not lay it off and stood to take a really big financial hit, if Wisconsin won and covered.

    Well guess what? It was a night game, and with six minutes remaining in the game,and the game, from both a straight-up winning and a point spread covering advantage well in hand for Wisconsin = BANG! Power failure. So that the game was prematurely ended, at that point.

    Guess what? The Nevada gaming industry has a “rule” that whenever a game officially ends with more than five minutes remaining on the clock, for betting purposes it becomes “NO ACTION. No wagers are paid off.

    Did the Vegas books make good on all the winning wagers made by the Wisconsin supporters? NO, they did not. Meaning that they either perpetrated the power failure, or, if they did not, took advantage of the power failure to literally screw thousands of people out of their winning bets.

    Nevada chose to alienate all these people, who were understandably outraged, and lose all their future patronage of Nevada hotels, restaurants, casinos, etc., rather than do the principled, right thing and honor the winning tickets on the game.

    Now do you get the picture? Because if not, there is no hope for you.

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