I've dealt with arm issues for years. You go a while without throwing hard, and then you uncork a few great throws. then the tightness and the pain comes, so you rubber arm for the next few months. repeat cycle until you die or take up golf instead. watch the next few games to see what he does....
There is a reason that the guy was so highly regarded as a prospect. I'm not saying he's Wilie Mays, but he has talent. That doesn't disappear, but it can get buried under conditioning, injury, and attitude issues. Maybe (hopefully?) he's gotten some of that stuff worked out. Maybe this deal was the kick in the pants he needed.
Or maybe not; who knows. I'm pulling for him b/c if he pays well, that's good for the team I like.
If Douchbag Young somehow turns himself around and becomes the OF that we all wanted Dom Brown to become, I will self-help myself to a steady barrage of crows. Unfortunately, someone is going to give RAJ credit for that, which he doesn't deserve. But, after missing out on Justin Upton, if the baseball gods want to screw with the baseball world make Douchbag Young into Justin Upton 2.0, by all means, let it happen.
I was surprised as well, but then it hit me. He wasn't throwing nearly enough when he was just DH'ing, so he lost some of his arm strength. Then when he found out he was going to a national League team, he started to actually work at it (something none of us thought he would do, actually work at his game). So he gained a good bit of arm strength back.
I knew he used to have a good arm, because I saw a throw he had in 07 on one of the MLB network "Best Throws" countdowns. Yes, he used to have a gun, and apparently does again.
I know that I used to have a real good arm, but had not used it like that in a few years, so when I started to play in a league again, my arm didn't start out nearly as strong as it used to be.
If you claim that RAJ missed out on Justin Upton, what do you propose that he should have traded in order to acquire JU? I don't think that the Phillies' system had the type of prospects to make that trade.
Considering that I made comparisons of J. Upton to Cole Hamels in terms of value, and would only choose Hamels over Upton because he's "our" boy, I would have traded anybody. How about Cliff Lee + half of his salary for J. Upton? We'll throw in some other pieces like Worley and/or May if the Diamondbacks wanted more. Trust me, I would have made it work given the less-than-inspiring haul the Diamondbacks actually got from the Braves.
You can also get a little creative. I mentioned Nick Castellanos in a previous post, for example. Surely the Tigers would have taken Cliff Lee in a heartbeat over Anibal Sanchez, no? Especially at essentially the same cost if we pay half of Lee's salary? I'm pretty sure Nick Castellanos + Jesse Biddle would be plenty enough for the Diamondbacks seriously entertain an offer from us, and we still have Worley and May in the cupboard to sweeten the deal.
As Richard said in the same post, RAJ just isn't creative enough.
While D-Backs did not get a great haul for Upton, the all prospects deal that they had in place with Seattle (before JU rejected) was a much better return than Biddle and Castellanos. The D-Backs must have really valued Martin Prado.
I'm pretty sure Nick Castellanos, Jesse Biddle, Vance Worley, and Roman Quinn would have looked just as good as Braves package. They rather have Morgan or Martin over Biddle would be fine by me as well. Maybe we'll even throw in Darin Ruf, hoping to sell him high. In other words, there was a way to make it work if we had a creative GM.
Yes, it was "a hell of a throw", and it does say something about RAJ signing him "cheap", huh? I am not saying DY will become a defensive whiz, but it just goes to show that he is at least a passable RF, hopefully not unlike Pat the Bat and Ibanez were in LF. Now if he and Ruiz begin to provide the RH balance the Phillies need on offense, that would make DY's contract a steal.
Even as a confirmed Delmon Young hater, I have to say that the arm was (despite a few hilarious clips) always a relative strength. The reason he is such a horrible fielder is exceptionally poor range (and to a much lesser extent, a slightly below average error rate.
Uh I don't get it. Anyone else back there wouldn't have gotten so turned around, and could have made the catch. I don't understand why everyone thinks he played it perfectly; it looks like he lucked into the right spot.
But yes, it was a very good throw. But a catch would have saved an eventual run.
Having spent the last days of my baseball playing career as an undersized outfielder trying to get all of the power out of his meager frame, I am very impressed by that throw, both its trajectory and its ease.
If only one throw made a fielder "passable." He was never as bad as Ibanez or Burrell defensively; he just couldn't do anything well.
And define "steal." If your contention is that he's going to play up to his contract, which is basically replacement level or maybe 0.5 WAR, then sure. But may I point out that I can grab any scrub and expect him to produce that much; I usually don't like to waste a starting spot like that.
You'd be EQUALLY impressed with my arm if I made that throw? So it's not more impressive for a former high school/current summer league player to make the same throw as a major leaguer?
I guess I'll have to give the nod to the majority here. I don't see that as a rope (see Ichiro/Vlad throws from RF wall to the 3rd base bag or even Jayson Werth's throws while on the Phillies). THOSE throws impress me as a former baseball player. I'd expect any semi-regular ML starter to make the Delmon Young throw pretty frequently.
No, because unlike you, I realize MLB players are humans too, not some super-human robots you seem to want me to view them as. A strong arm is a strong, it don't matter whether it's on a MLB player or a non-MLB player. They just get paid to do what you claim you can do; good for them.
You do realize the people you just mentioned, Ichiro/Vlad/Werth, are considered superior defensive players right, or at least at the time they made such throws? So if you're not the very best you can't be impressive?
"You do realize the people you just mentioned, Ichiro/Vlad/Werth, are considered superior defensive players right, or at least at the time they made such throws?"
Right, hence why i consider what they've done impressive. To me, impressive is more (obviously not completely) of an objective thing. The only reason we're talking about that throw is because it was delmon young. (For him) it may have been an impressive throw. If it were Domonic Brown that made that throw, we wouldn't have had a GIF posted about it.
Again, I've given him credit for an accurate throw. I still don't consider the strength of the throw anything I'd be surprised or impressed to see a ML player capable of.
Yes, Dom Brown would have more impressive footage of throws we can point to. He has a better arm. That doesn't make Douchbag Young's throw bad. The point of the post was that Dbag Young actually has an arm that we didn't know about.
Yea, I said it was a bad throw. I said that at least -24 times up there. Bad throw < expected throw (young's) < impressive throw. I was merely pointing out how a commenter said it was impressive, and that it didnt IMPRESS me.
I think your right about me bringing it up. It was a really good throw. I wouldn't expect to see it on a highlight reel, and there have been many more throws that I find myself needing to talk about than that one. I went back and re-read the thread. I think it's the "on a rope" comments that got to me. I don't recall seeing ropes being concave down.