That Domonic Brown Fellow

A few days ago, I discussed the post-season roster, lamenting that Domonic Brown likely wouldn’t be included. On Twitter, @9John_Adams9 linked me to this video on YouTube featuring one of Brown’s memorable at-bats from spring training 2010. Brown faced Justin Verlander, working the count very well and eventually tagging a fastball for a very long home run to right-center. Seems like that skill set might be kind of useful in the post-season, no?

What’s more is that the at-bat captured above is not your run-of-the-mill, “who cares?” spring training at-bat. Verlander threw Brown everything he had in his arsenal and Brown handled him admirably. Do you trust John Bowker or Ben Francisco to do the same?

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  1. Scotch Man

    September 19, 2011 02:55 PM

    Can you imagine D-Brown pulling a Matt Stairs off Verlander in the event of a Detroit/Philly WS?

  2. @cgassi

    September 19, 2011 03:00 PM

    whats his twitter shout out name?

  3. jauer

    September 19, 2011 03:01 PM

    @ scotch man, yes

    @ bill:

    now that you mention bowker, why was jack cust released from lehigh valley after only 23 PAs. was this ever explained? cust is clearly the better hitter — even his small sample size in lehigh valley produced a good triple slash line — yet he was released very quickly with no apparent explanation.

    injury? drug addiction? i was looking forward to cust coming off the bench in october.

  4. Aaron

    September 19, 2011 03:01 PM

    spring training is ancient history, my friend.
    why not show the video from last month where brown has 3 Ks and 3 errors?

  5. FanSince09

    September 19, 2011 03:03 PM

    How about showing how he dogs it by not running the bases in games that actually count?!

  6. Giving_Chase

    September 19, 2011 03:57 PM

    He’s not going to be on the post-season roster? No…..

  7. hk

    September 19, 2011 04:25 PM


    Do you prefer John Bowker, who is 0-8 with 6 K’s in his short Phillies career and who has worse career numbers than Dom in all of the important career hitting categories, to Brown as a left-handed PH in the post-season?

  8. Tim M.

    September 19, 2011 04:31 PM

    Great at bat against Verlander before the hamate bone injury. I’ll take Downtown DomBrown over Bow-wow-ker in a second. No discussion there.

    For all the DomBrown naysayers, keep in mind that Mike Schmidt in 132 games of his first season batted .196 with 18 HR and 52 RBI. I wonder if the same DomBrown boo-birds would have chased MJS off the field.

  9. Kristin

    September 19, 2011 04:51 PM

    I am a big supporter of Dominic Brown and I think he has the goods to go far…he just needs some fine-tuning. I think he’s got a whole lot of pressure (externally and internally) to live up to these expectations…and I hope it doesn’t burden him. I’d like to see him really do well.

  10. Doug Harrison

    September 19, 2011 04:52 PM

    I was at the Verlander game. It was in March of 2010, two years ago. Brown has regressed since then. He may get better someday, maybe not.

  11. Brooklands

    September 19, 2011 04:57 PM

    I watched Dom when he was hot with the Pigs, and then over the last month. His mental situation is the problem right now. One or two good at bats could be all he needs to get his mojo back. But I have not seen any good at bats by Bowker. He is NOT the answer to anything.

    And yes I remember all the naysayers and boo-birds going after MJS. They are like my old bosses…what did you do today?, not considering any other factors or past history or potential.

  12. Ken

    September 19, 2011 04:58 PM

    He’ll be gone by spring training and should be wound up on the bench with the Iron Pigs where he belonged

  13. gotedge

    September 19, 2011 05:03 PM

    Dom Brown was inconsistent in his earlier appearances with the Phils and got worse, not better as time passed. His fielding was atrocious and his hitting showed that he was still a product of athleticism, not learned skills. Give him a little more seasoning and his understanding will catch up with his physical skills. If they were a basement team, he would be learning on the job but the Phils are in it to win it … all.

  14. Glenn Koons, LB, Ca.

    September 19, 2011 05:09 PM

    Bowker will not be there unless Amaro is drunk. Brandon Moss should get some AB’s as well as Dom. We shall see. We know Mayb is going to be there and I would even give Kratz some time.

  15. Dan

    September 19, 2011 05:09 PM

    Get him some bats now….. He would be better than gloss at this point. He can run he just needs some confidence which was taken away when sent to minors

  16. Rich

    September 19, 2011 05:12 PM

    I would say Brown faired decently with the Phillies, putting up one of our best on-base percentages this year (regression what?). He was pretty mediocre after being sent down though, and his issues are mental at this point. I absolutely think he’s better than Gload or Bowker, but I’d rather see them “K-Rod Rule” Moss onto the team. What’s the difference here, one or two October AB’s? Sure, they’d be nice, but his mental state isn’t there for this. I’d rather see them focus on his development and send him to Clearwater, where they can work with him. If we don’t win the WS because of one of our final pinch-hitters off the bench sucking, I’d be shocked. Remember, we’re going to use less pinch-hitters and relievers than most other teams because our starters go 7 plus. I think people over analyze the last 2 or 3 players on the roster sometimes.

  17. richroso

    September 19, 2011 05:17 PM

    I saw Dom Brown play a doubleheader (seven inning games) two weeks ago at Lehigh Valley. I never saw a more pathetic display of incompetency. He had two errors in the doubleheader, and should have been charged with four errors for the way he totally misjudged two other fly balls. I haven’t seen such a terrible display of outfielding skills since the last “Bad News Bears” movie. He also went 0 for 6 with four strikeouts.

    I do not want him to play on my Phils, and hope that they can trade him (possibly for a couple of broken bats) during the off season. No way should he make the playoff roster.

    I’ll take Ben Francisco over Bad News Dom.

  18. jauer

    September 19, 2011 05:17 PM

    “His fielding was atrocious and his hitting showed that he was still a product of athleticism, not learned skills”

    how is his high walk rate a product of athleticism?

  19. Phylan

    September 19, 2011 05:20 PM

    Did anyone bother to look at his OBP after being sent down? He was getting walked constantly. He doesn’t have any mental issues, he needs the organization to stop relentlessly dicking him around. Sending him down so that Raul Ibanez could get more playing time was absurd for so many obvious reasons.

  20. Bob Bohannon

    September 19, 2011 05:39 PM

    Brown’s Spring training homer off of Verlander was in 2010. Spring training in 2011 he was 1 for 18 after going 0 for Winter ball. His numbers in 41 games at Lehigh Valley project to 12 homers and 60 RBIs in a 162 game schedule. And that is against Minor league pitching, not the big leaguers. I’d like to know how mant total errors he committed in those 41 games. I do know Sandberg gave up on him and relegated him to the DH role.

  21. Greg P

    September 19, 2011 05:44 PM

    Phils don’t have the bats to win the World Series right now. Brown sure couldn’t hurt.

  22. FH

    September 19, 2011 05:45 PM

    His laughable stats do not even begin to tell the whole story. All one has to do is actually watch him play the game. He is not a baseball player and quite frankly not even the athlete that everybody makes him out to be. The man has no instincts whatsoever in the field or on the basepaths and it’s not like he makes up for it with effort. His swing has so many holes in it that there is little hope for him contributing in a significant way by NEXT post-season. He didn’t even deserve to get called back up in September. He needs to be dealt but unfortunately will yield half of what he would have brought back a year ago before he was exposed.

  23. mastg1

    September 19, 2011 06:02 PM

    Dom Brown is NOTrepete, NOT getting the shaft. One home run in spring tranning is not a deceiding factor of who is placed on the post season roster. Dom Brown is not ready to play in the major leagues on a regular basis yet. One day he will be, there’s no doubt about that, but not yet. Ever since he was sent back down to Lehigh Valley he has not hit above 250, and his home run production is down. Yes he is on the 40 man roster now, but he is not ready to take someone elses place on the playoff roster. And yes, I would turst Ben Fransisco to do the same thing, only better. I did notice that you didn’t ask if we would expect someone like Ross Gload to do the same thing. I’d take Ben fransisco to do better than Gload.

  24. PhD

    September 19, 2011 06:09 PM

    I have a Ph.D. in Sports Athlete Psychology from the Crossing Broad School of Amateur Psychological Analysis. After writing my doctoral dissertation on Bumbonic Clown, I can say with 100% certainty that he does not have the makeup of a major league player. This is a purely scientific opinion. I base my conclusions on video evidence, from which I can tell that all of Clown’s errors are mental and all of his successes are accidental. The fact that Clown plays poorly at the age of 24 can *only* mean that he is uncoachable and unfixable. Contrast that with a player like Vance Worley, whose successes *must* mean that he is gritty and mentally tough. It’s just science.

    You should trust me on this. After all, Fredi Gonzalez benched Jason Heyward for Jose Constanza on my advice, and look at how successful that has been! Short-term successes are always more accurate than long-term projections.

  25. jauer

    September 19, 2011 06:22 PM

    “I have a Ph.D. in Sports Athlete Psychology from the Crossing Broad School of Amateur Psychological Analysis.”

    i thoroughly enjoyed this

  26. Bippy Bellito

    September 19, 2011 06:47 PM

    Mr Brown has given the Phillies no reason to think he belongs in the Big Leagues. He’s a Dog in the field, a mutt at the plate, and a whiner in the clubhouse. He has been given several chances to succeed. In each instance, he’s screwed the pooch.

  27. kc

    September 19, 2011 07:19 PM

    well, i am glad to see brown has a stable support system. the guy has been given the shaft countless times in the past two years and at the ripe age of 24, is already deemed a failure.

    jesus, give the guy a break. i’m sure you all were stunning athletes at 24, five tool players that were just *this* close to making it to the bigs.

    how often are mlb players completely refined by then?

  28. JohnAdams

    September 19, 2011 07:53 PM

    Hmmm, Bumbonic Clown doesn’t sound like doctor speak to me, but what would I know, I only have a masters in linguistics.
    D. Brown has been lied to and cheated all season by RAJ probably as a result of Scott Boras becoming his agent. It seems like most “phans” and too many reporters only remember a couple of sloppy errors and a not-so-energetic run to first. Boy has he paid for those mistakes. They forget plays like these:

    Throw Home
    This horrid year started badly when someone decided to change Dom’s swing to one that more resembles Chase Utley’s. This started at the Dominican Republic. After a thousand swings the wrong way for a man of his height and build, Dom Brown swung the old right way in his last AB of spring training. Problem was that his body was conforming to the new swing. His old swing generated so much power through his wrists into his hands that he broke a small bone in his right hand on the follow through. As for his swing, here’s what Keith Law had to say and a commentary by Harold Reynolds.

  29. Les

    September 19, 2011 10:36 PM

    Mayberry is twice the player Brown is, and smarter.
    Trade Brown while he still has value.

  30. MikeBishop

    September 20, 2011 01:29 AM

    Brown was only 23 years old the last I heard. Still young with tremendous potential. Lets give the young guy some more time to mature before we close the books on him. Do you realize what kind of baseball player he could wind up being with that athleticism and speed? I just think that he needs time to get it together mentally to be the kind of professional baseball player everyone is expecting him to be. Some young ball players just need more time to get it together mentally than others.

  31. Niles Lesh

    September 20, 2011 07:10 AM

    “For all the DomBrown naysayers, keep in mind that Mike Schmidt in 132 games of his first season batted .196 with 18 HR and 52 RBI. I wonder if the same DomBrown boo-birds would have chased MJS off the field.”By Tim M. on Sep 19, 2011
    If you missed the 70s and 80s,Phillie Phans booed Mike Schmidt all the way to the Hall of Fame, no Phillie was booed more consistantly than Schmidt…Dom Brown is no Mike Schmidt who showed up everyday and played through the boos and strikeouts with RISP to become an MVP & 3rd base legend. Dom Brown is a 5 tool player but his tools are only average beside his throwing arm, but Hunter Pence eliminates that need.Brown is not a good pinch hitter…they have the best in the game already; Ross Gload

  32. JB Allen

    September 20, 2011 07:29 AM

    For everyone who thinks Brown can’t hit, you must not have enjoyed the 2008 Phillies, what with all those icky, drawn-out at bats and boring walks. Like you guys, I can’t wait to see Ibanez swing ever so slowly at outside fastballs in the playoffs.

  33. Bliz

    September 20, 2011 08:55 AM

    While I am a believer in Dom Brown, I do find it odd that a website dedicated to statistical analysis and long term trends as a basis for evaluation would cite one at bat from a year and a half ago (in spring training, no less) as the basis for an argument. When commenters on this site use small sample sizes, you tear them apart (and for good reason). Let’s be consistent, eh?

  34. Matt in NYC

    September 20, 2011 11:21 AM

    Ross Gload: .257/.278/.314, .592 OPS, 62 OPS+, 6 2B, 0 3B, 0 HR, 3 (THREE!!) BBs in 108 PAs.

    If that’s the best PH in the game, teams may as well just start letting pitchers hit for themselves all the time.

  35. Matt in NYC

    September 20, 2011 11:25 AM


    You do realize JMJ is nearly 4 full years older than Brown, right? And has nowhere near the minor league track record?

  36. TMC

    September 20, 2011 11:55 AM

    I feel like about 30% of the comments in this thread are sarcastic, but I can’t determine which ones.

  37. Mr_SKIA

    September 20, 2011 04:53 PM

    I cannot believe how many of you people want to bury Dom Brown.

    “Mr Brown has given the Phillies no reason to think he belongs in the Big Leagues.”

    “Dom Brown is not ready to play in the major leagues on a regular basis yet.”

    “Dom Brown was inconsistent in his earlier appearances with the Phils and got worse, not better as time passed.”

    “His laughable stats do not even begin to tell the whole story.”

    Over his last 24 games in the majors, Brown went .301/.402/.410. Sure, it’s a small sample size, but with 14 BB in 97 PA, he was clearly figuring it out. And how was he rewarded? With a demotion. What 23-year-old wouldn’t react poorly to that?

    But by all means, run him out of town. 29 other fan bases would love to have a kid like this on their team.

  38. Jon

    September 20, 2011 04:54 PM

    If it’s less than 30%, TMC, I’m going to cry about humanity again.

    I have trouble believing than anybody who would read a statistics- and results-based website like this would make the anti-Brown comments above in a serious sense. Unless they have some personal hatred for him or something. Maybe they’re Hurricanes fans mad they didn’t get to see him play WR there.

  39. Phillie697

    September 21, 2011 05:04 PM

    Can we just put it down right here right now that when Dom Brown becomes a star, all of you who bash him will automatically be disqualified as a Phillies fan for life? I mean I know that’s not going to happen, but just saying… I don’t know how the same people can cheer for him 5 years from now without any shame.

    I sincerely hope it happens while he’s still a Phillie before these fans chase him out of the city.

  40. Phillie697

    September 21, 2011 05:15 PM

    Oh btw, you know when the last time someone called a young outfielder all-hype and should be traded right away? Naysayers, meet Matt Kemp, circa 2010 edition. .249/.310/.450 (which was about what Dom was doing when we decided that somehow Raul Ibanez deserved a spot on the roster and not Dom), with a (GULP!) -25.7 UZR, i.e. atrocious defense. What did Kemp have going for him? Amazing minor league track record, five-tool skills, but according to the naysayers last year, a head case. Sounds familiar?

    Oh, and Matt Kemp was TWENTY-SIX in 2010. Dom is 23. You want some other team to enjoy Matt Kemp Jr., feel free to continue to bash.

  41. Niles Lesh

    September 21, 2011 09:37 PM

    Not saying the Phillies should get rid of Brown just that they might save his playoff spot for a pitcher and not lose much in terms of what he’s doing now

  42. JohnAdams

    September 22, 2011 02:47 PM

    Mr_SKIA wrote an excellent post above as did
    Phillie697 with his comparison to Matt Kemp. BTW, Dom Brown turned 24 on 9/3. Not that that’s old, but it’s frustrating to see all these 22y.o. rookies out there tearing things up. Kimbrel and Freeman come to mind.
    Mr_SKIA, Brown wasn’t rewarded with a “demotion”, he was SHIT-CANNED. The Awkward Astro will be in RF for 8-10 years and Mayberry is finally getting the respect he has deserved for a long time. The writing is on the wall that JMJ will inherit LF from Raul. Dom would have been the obvious choice to play RF last night (Wed) and all games til Pence returns to the lineup. Ruben wouldn’t let Charlie “showcase” Brown and run the risk of a circus catch or a long HR like the moon shot he hit last year.
    Yeh, DB’s disgruntled.

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