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Just how good is the Phillies’ starting rotation now that Cliff Lee is back?

The worst pitcher among the Phillies’ “big four” in 2010 was Roy Oswalt, whose 3.46 xFIP ranked twelfth in Major League Baseball. The Phillies have one-third of baseball’s top-12 pitchers from 2010.

It’s a great time to be a Phillies fan.

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  1. Mike

    December 14, 2010 09:35 AM

    what, no guest blogger today? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    December 14 is my new favorite day of the year. Wow.

  2. GM-Carson

    December 14, 2010 02:16 PM

    Cliff Lee’s deal is for 5 years/$120M. It includes a vesting option for $27.5M in 2016, or a $12M buyout. Meaning the deal is $132M minimum or $147.5M maximum.

    The Yankees offered Lee 6 years/$132M with a $16M player option for a 7th year. Minimum $132, maximum $148.

    Rangers offered 6 years/$138M with a vesting option that would have brought the deal to $161 over 7 years.

    Mathematical breakdown:
    Phillies: if Lee doesn’t reach vesting option and only pitches 5 seasons he’ll receive $132M which averages out to $26.4M per year. If he reaches the vesting option, then it averages $24.6M over the 6 YR.
    Yankees: $22M per season over 6 YR, or $21.1M per season over 7 YR if he exercised the player option.
    Rangers: $23M per season over 6 YR or 7 YR period.

    Turns out the Phillies offered the most per year. Sure he turned down guaranteed money from the Yanks, but he gets richer quicker with the Phils.

  3. hk

    December 14, 2010 04:07 PM

    I’m pretty sure that the $12.5M option is being included in the $120M for 5 years. Therefore, it’s $120M for 5 years or $135M for 6 years (once the easily attainable vesting IP’s are met and the 2016 salary is guaranteed).

  4. Spree75

    December 14, 2010 04:18 PM

    GM-Carson, You have the math a bit wrong. The 5 yr/120M includes the 12.5M buyout since it is considered guarenteed money. You can see this in other contracts such as Jeters 3 yr/51M (48M for 3 yrs, 3M buyout) or Ryan Howards 5 yr/125M (115M for 5 yrs, 10M buyout)

    So Phillies: Min = 120M (107.5M for 5 years + 12.5M buyout the next year), Max = 135M for 6 years (and it’s going to be 6 unless Lee gets hurt in 2015) for an average of 24M a year for 5 years or 22.5M for 6 years

    Yankees and Rangers are correct from a number of sources but the Rangers deal also had a significant amount deferred.

    So the Phillies ended up paying more per year than the Yankees but ended up 18M less guarenteed from the Rangers and 12M less from the Yankees or 26M less total from the Rangers and 19M less from the Yankees.

    That’s not exactly chump change that was left on the table but Lee isn’t exactly going to the poor house.

    I’d be interested to see the actual dollar amounts for each year because there is a usually a gradual increase in value. We know the 6th year is 27.5M. The rest is 107.5M for 5 years.

  5. A's fan

    December 14, 2010 05:47 PM

    A’s rotation at 5 mil>Phillies rotation at 80 mil

  6. FanSince09

    December 14, 2010 07:06 PM

    Oswalt’s stats are skewed by how bad his team was, in my opinion. I’m not huge Oswalt guy, don’t think we should have parted with JA Happ, one of the best young pitchers in baseball, for him. But with Lee back where he belongs, the weak part of the big 4 is still Hammels. Hopefully he’ll less pressure and better numbers as the no. 4 starter, and at least he doesn’t need to start in the playoffs, where he has a history of falling apart.

    I wish they would of kept Jason, but happy to see Lee back, never should of gotten rid of him!

  7. asfan

    December 14, 2010 09:23 PM

    Did someone call JA Happ one of the best young pitchers in the game?

    First off, he’s like 30. 2nd off, i can name about 50 ‘young’pitchers off the top of my head i’d rather have the AJ happ.

  8. Mike

    December 14, 2010 09:41 PM

    Successful Troll is successful!

  9. Moose

    December 15, 2010 10:08 AM

    asfan: fail

  10. CarlosBeltransexual

    December 15, 2010 02:36 PM

    English nerd note: FanSince09’s frequent use of ‘of’ in place of ‘have’ really sells the stupidity. I’m glad that remnant from has found a home here.

  11. dave

    February 13, 2011 07:15 AM

    Phillies fan note: I know FanSince09 hasn’t been around the team long (way to advertise how fresh you are in joining the bandwagon, btw) but my goodness, learn the names of the players.

    “Forget Hammels and Jason, we’ve got Rule Ibanez and Chace to look forward to all year; Shane Victorino for MVP, Ryan Madsen for Cy Young! You heard it hear first.”

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