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	<title>Comments on: Philly&#8217;s New Pariah: Jayson Werth</title>
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		<title>By: Bob V</title>
		<link>http://crashburnalley.com/2010/07/17/phillys-new-pariah-jayson-werth/comment-page-1/#comment-43704</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 07:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me after watching the Phillies in Chicago and the first two games in St.Louis Jayson Werth is one of the best players the Phillies have. Four hits in two games with a 2 for 4 night against arguable one of the best right handers in baseball (Chris Carpenter)isn&#039;t too shabby. Also got a hit against fireballer Jason Motte while other Phillies batting left handed struck out. I think you Philly fans need your heads examined. The best thing you clowns can do is shut your mouth and watch the boob-tube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me after watching the Phillies in Chicago and the first two games in St.Louis Jayson Werth is one of the best players the Phillies have. Four hits in two games with a 2 for 4 night against arguable one of the best right handers in baseball (Chris Carpenter)isn&#8217;t too shabby. Also got a hit against fireballer Jason Motte while other Phillies batting left handed struck out. I think you Philly fans need your heads examined. The best thing you clowns can do is shut your mouth and watch the boob-tube.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a previous blog by you. Thank you for helping prove my point.....!!!

When I asked this question to my Twitter followers…
has Jayson Werth helped or hurt his value as a free agent with his production thus far in 2010?
…these were some of the responses I received:

It’s not the production that’s hurting him. By all accounts, he’s a bad apple. It’s why the Phils are shopping him. (@Beerleaguer)

his production has been poor. I think the pressure of a contract year has gotten to him. Some team will still pay him $15M (@FlyersFanShawn)

Werth has been disgraceful. No it’s not the numbers. His attitude and his overall lack of trying. Not worth what he’ll get. (@GregVince)

Werth’s attitude reminds me of David Bell. He seemed he could have cared less what happened on that field. (@KieranCarobine)

I think you just have to watch how he acts on the field to know Werth is a jackass. (@ballsticksstuff)

I’d say hurt, especially if you were one who considered him a 4/5 yr $60/75 mil player. He’s be overvalued from the jump. And if he stays at or around this level, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Phils offered arb and he took it. (@philsvilleblog)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a previous blog by you. Thank you for helping prove my point&#8230;..!!!</p>
<p>When I asked this question to my Twitter followers…<br />
has Jayson Werth helped or hurt his value as a free agent with his production thus far in 2010?<br />
…these were some of the responses I received:</p>
<p>It’s not the production that’s hurting him. By all accounts, he’s a bad apple. It’s why the Phils are shopping him. (@Beerleaguer)</p>
<p>his production has been poor. I think the pressure of a contract year has gotten to him. Some team will still pay him $15M (@FlyersFanShawn)</p>
<p>Werth has been disgraceful. No it’s not the numbers. His attitude and his overall lack of trying. Not worth what he’ll get. (@GregVince)</p>
<p>Werth’s attitude reminds me of David Bell. He seemed he could have cared less what happened on that field. (@KieranCarobine)</p>
<p>I think you just have to watch how he acts on the field to know Werth is a jackass. (@ballsticksstuff)</p>
<p>I’d say hurt, especially if you were one who considered him a 4/5 yr $60/75 mil player. He’s be overvalued from the jump. And if he stays at or around this level, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Phils offered arb and he took it. (@philsvilleblog)</p>
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		<title>By: Childhood Phan</title>
		<link>http://crashburnalley.com/2010/07/17/phillys-new-pariah-jayson-werth/comment-page-1/#comment-43620</link>
		<dc:creator>Childhood Phan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does everything, literally EVERYTHING become about Ryan Howard? The same Howard who hit into a double play last night? Yeah that guy&#039;s playing great. Do not get me started on Victorino.

This whole team has been playing badly for 2 mos. Unfortunately this happens to be Werth&#039;s FA yr. Perhaps b/c of a lack of imagination the writers began to focus on him as the begining and the end of all things bad on the Phillies. At first I didn&#039;t pay much attention to it b/c I believed anyone with a rational thought in their head would remember all the hard work, good work, Werth has done for and with the team over the past several yrs. Also the rather reticent Werth has been vocal about his desire to stay in Phila, about how much he likes the team, the coaches, the city, the fans, and how he&#039;s felt he belonged here. People would recognize this and not buy into the hooey. But the slump went on, the losses extended, and the gang mentality developed into an all out witch hunt. People needed a scapegoat and they unfairly focused on Werth. At this point they&#039;ve done everything except tie him up, riding him through town for people to take swings at him.

The same people hating Werth now loved him &amp; his beard in April. And if the team was in 1st place winning, it would be Howard, Rollins, &amp; Utley&#039;s glory. But the losses &amp; ignominy is shoved at Werth. As a Phillies fan since childhood, I&#039;m embarrassed. Maybe I&#039;ll buy a Werth jersey in support. It may be the last chance I get to buy one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does everything, literally EVERYTHING become about Ryan Howard? The same Howard who hit into a double play last night? Yeah that guy&#8217;s playing great. Do not get me started on Victorino.</p>
<p>This whole team has been playing badly for 2 mos. Unfortunately this happens to be Werth&#8217;s FA yr. Perhaps b/c of a lack of imagination the writers began to focus on him as the begining and the end of all things bad on the Phillies. At first I didn&#8217;t pay much attention to it b/c I believed anyone with a rational thought in their head would remember all the hard work, good work, Werth has done for and with the team over the past several yrs. Also the rather reticent Werth has been vocal about his desire to stay in Phila, about how much he likes the team, the coaches, the city, the fans, and how he&#8217;s felt he belonged here. People would recognize this and not buy into the hooey. But the slump went on, the losses extended, and the gang mentality developed into an all out witch hunt. People needed a scapegoat and they unfairly focused on Werth. At this point they&#8217;ve done everything except tie him up, riding him through town for people to take swings at him.</p>
<p>The same people hating Werth now loved him &amp; his beard in April. And if the team was in 1st place winning, it would be Howard, Rollins, &amp; Utley&#8217;s glory. But the losses &amp; ignominy is shoved at Werth. As a Phillies fan since childhood, I&#8217;m embarrassed. Maybe I&#8217;ll buy a Werth jersey in support. It may be the last chance I get to buy one.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Baer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Baer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. People are too touchy to any criticism of the guy. Hypocritical when you look at the guy 100 feet behind him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. People are too touchy to any criticism of the guy. Hypocritical when you look at the guy 100 feet behind him.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish we would get off the &quot;hate Ryan Howard&quot; bandwagon here. I hate his contract, not him.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Baer</title>
		<link>http://crashburnalley.com/2010/07/17/phillys-new-pariah-jayson-werth/comment-page-1/#comment-43508</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Baer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 04:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with most people when it comes to Ryan Howard is that they are incredibly myopic and ONLY look at his offense. He is a great offensive player, no doubt, but that is not the only thing that goes into a player&#039;s value.

You have to factor in, with offense, the player&#039;s defense, his position (an .850 OPS from a first baseman is much less valuable than an .850 OPS from a second baseman), base running skills, his age, any glaring weaknesses (Howard vs. LHP), his contract length and amount, etc. When you factor all that in and compare Howard to the rest of Major League Baseball players, he comes up short.

I only report what the numbers tell me. I have nothing against the guy. I think he&#039;s a good person and I hope he proves me wrong every year by putting up a .600 wOBA (even splits against RH and LH pitchers!) with a +100 UZR/150.

The fact remains that Howard is just barely a top-ten first baseman -- let alone a top-ten player -- according to FanGraphs, using WAR over the past three calendar years. The list:

Albert Pujols: 21.4
Kevin Youkilis: 15.2
Mark Teixeira: 14.6
Adrian Gonzalez: 14.2
Joey Votto: 12.7

Lance Berkman: 12.3
Prince Fielder: 12.3
Justin Morneau: 12.3
Miguel Cabrera: 12.1
Ryan Howard: 9.7

It&#039;s not even a debate, as far as I can see. If you like Howard and think he&#039;s the tops, we will never see eye-to-eye and we will never convince each other of our position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with most people when it comes to Ryan Howard is that they are incredibly myopic and ONLY look at his offense. He is a great offensive player, no doubt, but that is not the only thing that goes into a player&#8217;s value.</p>
<p>You have to factor in, with offense, the player&#8217;s defense, his position (an .850 OPS from a first baseman is much less valuable than an .850 OPS from a second baseman), base running skills, his age, any glaring weaknesses (Howard vs. LHP), his contract length and amount, etc. When you factor all that in and compare Howard to the rest of Major League Baseball players, he comes up short.</p>
<p>I only report what the numbers tell me. I have nothing against the guy. I think he&#8217;s a good person and I hope he proves me wrong every year by putting up a .600 wOBA (even splits against RH and LH pitchers!) with a +100 UZR/150.</p>
<p>The fact remains that Howard is just barely a top-ten first baseman &#8212; let alone a top-ten player &#8212; according to FanGraphs, using WAR over the past three calendar years. The list:</p>
<p>Albert Pujols: 21.4<br />
Kevin Youkilis: 15.2<br />
Mark Teixeira: 14.6<br />
Adrian Gonzalez: 14.2<br />
Joey Votto: 12.7</p>
<p>Lance Berkman: 12.3<br />
Prince Fielder: 12.3<br />
Justin Morneau: 12.3<br />
Miguel Cabrera: 12.1<br />
Ryan Howard: 9.7</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not even a debate, as far as I can see. If you like Howard and think he&#8217;s the tops, we will never see eye-to-eye and we will never convince each other of our position.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 03:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wade&#039;s chugging the haterade. Ryan is a top 10 first baseman. You have to remember that Howard plays EVERY game. There is significant value to that when looking at guys like Votto and especially Morneau who seem to miss time every year.  

Just for fun, my top 10 list off the top of my head: Pujols, Cabrera, A Gonz, Tex, Votto, Howard, Youks, Fielder, Morneau, and Dunn (underrated). 

@Sean, I don&#039;t need to watch every other outfielder to make an opinion on Werth&#039;s defensive abilities. I never made a reference to UZR so I&#039;m not sure how your point is relevant to mine. I was just stating my observation regarding his defensive skill set that I believe is slightly overrated. His D tools if you will. 

I&#039;d also like to clarify that I like Werth, hes a good player, and hope we resign him and get rid of Ibanez somehow. I don&#039;t think it will happen but I hope so. I just get agitated watching him play D sometimes when a lot of people consider him a good defensive outfielder. He&#039;s average in the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wade&#8217;s chugging the haterade. Ryan is a top 10 first baseman. You have to remember that Howard plays EVERY game. There is significant value to that when looking at guys like Votto and especially Morneau who seem to miss time every year.  </p>
<p>Just for fun, my top 10 list off the top of my head: Pujols, Cabrera, A Gonz, Tex, Votto, Howard, Youks, Fielder, Morneau, and Dunn (underrated). </p>
<p>@Sean, I don&#8217;t need to watch every other outfielder to make an opinion on Werth&#8217;s defensive abilities. I never made a reference to UZR so I&#8217;m not sure how your point is relevant to mine. I was just stating my observation regarding his defensive skill set that I believe is slightly overrated. His D tools if you will. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to clarify that I like Werth, hes a good player, and hope we resign him and get rid of Ibanez somehow. I don&#8217;t think it will happen but I hope so. I just get agitated watching him play D sometimes when a lot of people consider him a good defensive outfielder. He&#8217;s average in the field.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 03:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in no order

cabrera
gonzalez
morneau
votto
pujols
fielder
Youk
Tex
Dunn
Morales

are all better than howard. 

Howard is 13th in 1b OPS not adjusted with Morales being out for the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in no order</p>
<p>cabrera<br />
gonzalez<br />
morneau<br />
votto<br />
pujols<br />
fielder<br />
Youk<br />
Tex<br />
Dunn<br />
Morales</p>
<p>are all better than howard. </p>
<p>Howard is 13th in 1b OPS not adjusted with Morales being out for the year.</p>
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		<title>By: phatti</title>
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		<dc:creator>phatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 02:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wade: not a top 10 1b?  Come on.  I&#039;ll give you Cabrera, Pujols, and Morneau.  Votto seems to have passed him.  I&#039;d put him in the next group with Youklis, Fielder, Gonzalez, and Tex, and maybe on the top of that group.  I&#039;m sure you&#039;re putting him behind all them, but who else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wade: not a top 10 1b?  Come on.  I&#8217;ll give you Cabrera, Pujols, and Morneau.  Votto seems to have passed him.  I&#8217;d put him in the next group with Youklis, Fielder, Gonzalez, and Tex, and maybe on the top of that group.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re putting him behind all them, but who else?</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>howard is not a top 10 mlb 1b, and not a top 30 player. 

howard is very inferior to the vottos, cabreras, morneaus of the mlb 1b of the world. 

howard is not close to be a top 30 mlb player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>howard is not a top 10 mlb 1b, and not a top 30 player. </p>
<p>howard is very inferior to the vottos, cabreras, morneaus of the mlb 1b of the world. </p>
<p>howard is not close to be a top 30 mlb player.</p>
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