Comments on: The World Series Rotation http://crashburnalley.com/2009/10/25/the-world-series-rotation/ Philadelphia Phillies baseball analysis that everyone can enjoy. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:58:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bill Baer http://crashburnalley.com/2009/10/25/the-world-series-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-12815 Bill Baer Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:24:24 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=566#comment-12815 Havaiwill, the fly ball rates were based on the 2009 season. Dan, I don't think Cole has any leverage this time. He had leverage last year because he had a great regular season and post-season, but when you have an average 2009 and awful NLDS/NLCS as Hamels has this year, you lose your leverage at the bargaining table. What's he going to say to Charlie to convince him that he shouldn't take the ball on short rest? Especially when Cliff Lee will happily take it. Havaiwill, the fly ball rates were based on the 2009 season.

Dan, I don’t think Cole has any leverage this time. He had leverage last year because he had a great regular season and post-season, but when you have an average 2009 and awful NLDS/NLCS as Hamels has this year, you lose your leverage at the bargaining table.

What’s he going to say to Charlie to convince him that he shouldn’t take the ball on short rest? Especially when Cliff Lee will happily take it.

]]> By: Dan http://crashburnalley.com/2009/10/25/the-world-series-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-12812 Dan Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:35:01 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=566#comment-12812 This is my first time reading here, but Bill, you have got to be joking yourself if you think Charlie will throw Cole on short rest for the first time in his career. Cole is a creature of habit. There's just absolutely no way. This is my first time reading here, but Bill, you have got to be joking yourself if you think Charlie will throw Cole on short rest for the first time in his career. Cole is a creature of habit. There’s just absolutely no way.

]]> By: Vote4Pedro http://crashburnalley.com/2009/10/25/the-world-series-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-12810 Vote4Pedro Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:32:07 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=566#comment-12810 Just throwing this out there,...as I am trying to figure out the best rotation myself. Game 1 goes to Lee (check) Game 2? How about we throw Pedro in Yankee Stadium. He is hated there and he does well in that type of situation. I think he could throw a gem there. If he loses, we come home to Hamels in Game 3 and then possibly Blanton or back to Lee. As much as I was against the acquisition of Pedro when it was first announced, he has done VERY well. He's a gamer. Bring it on jankees! Just throwing this out there,…as I am trying to figure out the best rotation myself.

Game 1 goes to Lee (check)
Game 2? How about we throw Pedro in Yankee Stadium. He is hated there and he does well in that type of situation. I think he could throw a gem there.
If he loses, we come home to Hamels in Game 3 and then possibly Blanton or back to Lee.
As much as I was against the acquisition of Pedro when it was first announced, he has done VERY well. He’s a gamer.
Bring it on jankees!

]]> By: Steve http://crashburnalley.com/2009/10/25/the-world-series-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-12806 Steve Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:15:17 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=566#comment-12806 Game 1: Cliff Game 2: Cole Game 3: Pedro Game 4: Cliff Game 5: Big Joe Blanton Game 6: Cole Game 7: Cliff I agree that Cole can't go on short rest (no prior history). In order for him to go twice this series, he will have to start game 2. If Cole throws up a clunker in game 2, then Pedro or Happ could go in game 7 (I don't really trust Pedro on short rest, he looks like he is laboring every outing as it is). Ideally, I think leaving Happ in the bullpen is the best bet for the phils. I also think they should add Myers if he can help like Chan Ho did in the NLCS. Ben Francisco will start in left and RAULLLL will be DH? Ideas? Game 1: Cliff
Game 2: Cole
Game 3: Pedro
Game 4: Cliff
Game 5: Big Joe Blanton
Game 6: Cole
Game 7: Cliff

I agree that Cole can’t go on short rest (no prior history). In order for him to go twice this series, he will have to start game 2.

If Cole throws up a clunker in game 2, then Pedro or Happ could go in game 7 (I don’t really trust Pedro on short rest, he looks like he is laboring every outing as it is).

Ideally, I think leaving Happ in the bullpen is the best bet for the phils. I also think they should add Myers if he can help like Chan Ho did in the NLCS.

Ben Francisco will start in left and RAULLLL will be DH? Ideas?

]]> By: havaiwill http://crashburnalley.com/2009/10/25/the-world-series-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-12805 havaiwill Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:11:07 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=566#comment-12805 I also am a big Phillie Phan, but not of Hamels (nor Manuel for that matter). I'm also unimpressed by your using fly ball rates - based over a career? That's as silly as "Mr. Manuel" yanking Martinez in game two of NLCS when he was tossing a nearly perfect game, based solely on Martinez revealed later was a pre-canned, pre-game, entirely arbitrary "pitch-count." Ah, but CM later said he thought "Martinez was done." Recent performance clearly indicates Martinez has been as "hot" as Hamels "cold." Ah, but statisticians can dredge up #'s from years gone by and muddy the obvious. I also am a big Phillie Phan, but not of Hamels (nor Manuel for that matter). I’m also unimpressed by your using fly ball rates – based over a career? That’s as silly as “Mr. Manuel” yanking Martinez in game two of NLCS when he was tossing a nearly perfect game, based solely on Martinez revealed later was a pre-canned, pre-game, entirely arbitrary “pitch-count.” Ah, but CM later said he thought “Martinez was done.” Recent performance clearly indicates Martinez has been as “hot” as Hamels “cold.” Ah, but statisticians can dredge up #’s from years gone by and muddy the obvious.

]]> By: Dan http://crashburnalley.com/2009/10/25/the-world-series-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-12804 Dan Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:08:04 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=566#comment-12804 I doubt that pitching the Phils on a 3 man rotation will help their chances. Their only shot at this is to beat the hell out of the Yankees pitching with their walks and power. If Hamels, Pedro, and Blanton can keep about a 4.0 ERA in this series, and Lee can give us 2 quality starts, we win. I doubt that pitching the Phils on a 3 man rotation will help their chances. Their only shot at this is to beat the hell out of the Yankees pitching with their walks and power. If Hamels, Pedro, and Blanton can keep about a 4.0 ERA in this series, and Lee can give us 2 quality starts, we win.

]]> By: Brian J http://crashburnalley.com/2009/10/25/the-world-series-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-12803 Brian J Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:36:54 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=566#comment-12803 I'd be more shocked seeing Cole Hamels pitching on short rest than I would by Tim McCarver making it nine innings without saying something stupid. (The over/under on him butchering Carlos Ruiz's name is about 30... he's sure to call him Roo-is!) I’d be more shocked seeing Cole Hamels pitching on short rest than I would by Tim McCarver making it nine innings without saying something stupid. (The over/under on him butchering Carlos Ruiz’s name is about 30… he’s sure to call him Roo-is!)

]]> By: Ed http://crashburnalley.com/2009/10/25/the-world-series-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-12802 Ed Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:46:00 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=566#comment-12802 The reason you won't find any stats about Hamels pitching on three days rest is because he flat our refuses to do so. According to him, he knows his body and he knows he can't do it. I am a huge Phillies fan, but not much of a Hamels fan. He seems to be more concerned with him than with the overall big picture. Hopefully he can prove me wrong and come back on short rest, and not just that but be successful. But so far he has been unwilling to do it, which is just a shame. Cole also has to realize, he will only have to go on short rest once at the most and then that's it. As mentioned before Pedro has never pitched on 3 days rest but I bet he would if he was asked to do so. And I bet he could be successful. Don't forget, until he signed with the Phillies he had a few months off so his arm does not have the wear and tear that someone would have if they had pitched all season and now have to go on short rest. Should be interesting to see how Charlie manages his rotation. I wish we had more guys like Lee who will pitch whenever you ask him to. The reason you won’t find any stats about Hamels pitching on three days rest is because he flat our refuses to do so. According to him, he knows his body and he knows he can’t do it. I am a huge Phillies fan, but not much of a Hamels fan. He seems to be more concerned with him than with the overall big picture. Hopefully he can prove me wrong and come back on short rest, and not just that but be successful. But so far he has been unwilling to do it, which is just a shame. Cole also has to realize, he will only have to go on short rest once at the most and then that’s it.

As mentioned before Pedro has never pitched on 3 days rest but I bet he would if he was asked to do so. And I bet he could be successful. Don’t forget, until he signed with the Phillies he had a few months off so his arm does not have the wear and tear that someone would have if they had pitched all season and now have to go on short rest.

Should be interesting to see how Charlie manages his rotation. I wish we had more guys like Lee who will pitch whenever you ask him to.

]]> By: eh http://crashburnalley.com/2009/10/25/the-world-series-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-12793 eh Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:31:59 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=566#comment-12793 Considering what happened to zito, it's not surprising to see this happen to hamels. when you dont have a swing and miss fastball, and essentially only have one other pitch, the foul balls, and hits simply add up, and innings go down. he better work on his curve, or get a slider. Considering what happened to zito, it’s not surprising to see this happen to hamels. when you dont have a swing and miss fastball, and essentially only have one other pitch, the foul balls, and hits simply add up, and innings go down. he better work on his curve, or get a slider.

]]> By: Corinne http://crashburnalley.com/2009/10/25/the-world-series-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-12780 Corinne Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:15:21 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=566#comment-12780 Bill, here's the thing, Pedro has never started on 3 days rest in his Hall of Fame career. The man's 38th birthday is today and he has only pitched 14 innings in the last month and a half. So, yes, that confidently leads me to the conclusion that Pedro will not make a full start on 3 days rest this postseason. Could I be wrong? absolutely, but I really don't think I am. Here's my WS rotation: Game 1 Lee Game 2 Pedro Game 3 Hamels Game 4 Lee Game 5 Happ Game 6 Hamels (Pedro if he dominates Game 2) Game 7 Lee Bill, here’s the thing, Pedro has never started on 3 days rest in his Hall of Fame career. The man’s 38th birthday is today and he has only pitched 14 innings in the last month and a half. So, yes, that confidently leads me to the conclusion that Pedro will not make a full start on 3 days rest this postseason. Could I be wrong? absolutely, but I really don’t think I am.

Here’s my WS rotation:

Game 1 Lee
Game 2 Pedro
Game 3 Hamels
Game 4 Lee
Game 5 Happ
Game 6 Hamels (Pedro if he dominates Game 2)
Game 7 Lee

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