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	<title>Comments on: Phillies Sign Jamie Moyer, Chan Ho Park</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Baer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Baer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Park ends up having a good spring training and he earns the #5 spot in the rotation, I would be very happy. Similarly, if he gets put in the bullpen and succeeds there, I will be happy as well.

But it&#039;s just not a smart business decision regardless of how good of a job he does or does not do. $2.5-to-5 million to someone for doing a job Kyle Kendrick would do for $500,000.

Regarding Moyer, let&#039;s just say that when you&#039;re banking on a 46-year-old to not post an ERA in the 5&#039;s, you may have undershot your needs.

Info on the Moyer contract per Scott Lauber:

&lt;i&gt;Here are some details on Moyer&#039;s contract: He&#039;s guaranteed no less than $13 million. He&#039;ll make a base salary of $6.5 million 2009 and 2010. His 2010 salary can escalate to as much as $11 million based on innings pitched in &#039;09 ($250,000 for 150 innings, $500,000 each for 160, 170, 180 and 190 innings) and starts in &#039;09 ($250,000 for 23 starts, $500,000 each for 25, 27, 29 and 31 starts). Also, he can earn $250,000 performance bonuses each year for 150, 160, 170, 180 and 190 innings pitched.&lt;/i&gt;

The worst combination would be that Moyer struggles and struggles, yet he is never pulled from the rotation because he&#039;s a cagey veteran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Park ends up having a good spring training and he earns the #5 spot in the rotation, I would be very happy. Similarly, if he gets put in the bullpen and succeeds there, I will be happy as well.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s just not a smart business decision regardless of how good of a job he does or does not do. $2.5-to-5 million to someone for doing a job Kyle Kendrick would do for $500,000.</p>
<p>Regarding Moyer, let&#8217;s just say that when you&#8217;re banking on a 46-year-old to not post an ERA in the 5&#8242;s, you may have undershot your needs.</p>
<p>Info on the Moyer contract per Scott Lauber:</p>
<p><i>Here are some details on Moyer&#8217;s contract: He&#8217;s guaranteed no less than $13 million. He&#8217;ll make a base salary of $6.5 million 2009 and 2010. His 2010 salary can escalate to as much as $11 million based on innings pitched in &#8217;09 ($250,000 for 150 innings, $500,000 each for 160, 170, 180 and 190 innings) and starts in &#8217;09 ($250,000 for 23 starts, $500,000 each for 25, 27, 29 and 31 starts). Also, he can earn $250,000 performance bonuses each year for 150, 160, 170, 180 and 190 innings pitched.</i></p>
<p>The worst combination would be that Moyer struggles and struggles, yet he is never pulled from the rotation because he&#8217;s a cagey veteran.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6.5 million a year?!?!  I can throw it in the low 80&#039;s on the outside corner.  The Phils should sign me.  

With all these signing they are making, I would never have guessed they won the WS last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6.5 million a year?!?!  I can throw it in the low 80&#8242;s on the outside corner.  The Phils should sign me.  </p>
<p>With all these signing they are making, I would never have guessed they won the WS last year.</p>
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		<title>By: PhillyFriar</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhillyFriar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa whoa, we&#039;re not quite in the &quot;Kyle Farnsworth for 2 years for $9.25 million&quot; category yet.  But we&#039;re getting there.

Regarding Park... I didn&#039;t hear it, but from what I&#039;ve heard relayed from an interview Amaro gave on the radio, Park sounds like another Chad Durbin ca. 2007 situation: bring him in to nominally fight for the 5th starter&#039;s spot, and then stick him in the front end of the bullpen when he fails there.  And he could have some use there; his velocity is up (92.6 mph average fastball this year, as opposed to 88.4 mph the year before), and the ball is down (50.9% grounders last year).  And I&#039;ll assume that he doesn&#039;t reach more than $3.5 million if he doesn&#039;t make the rotation.

As for Moyer... if I go for a glass half full mentality, then I see that Josh Kalk has Jamie switching from a fastball in 2007 to a sinker in 2008 -- a pitch which, naturally, had about 2.8&quot; more downward movement.  The resulting 43.9% of grounders (the highest percentage among Fangraphs&#039; numbers, stretching back to 2002) were certainly instrumental in his improvement from 2007 to 2008.  So while he&#039;s not the 3.71 ERA version from last year, I&#039;ll bank on him being better than the 5.01 ERA version from two years ago.  Marcel has him pegged at a 4.58 ERA over 178.0 IP; I&#039;ll take it, though I think that may even be a bit conservative on the innings.

All that being said... I think it&#039;s officially soon enough to pass some early judgment on this offseason -- seeing as our big moves are all done -- and we&#039;re in wholehearted agreement here.  It doesn&#039;t look good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa whoa, we&#8217;re not quite in the &#8220;Kyle Farnsworth for 2 years for $9.25 million&#8221; category yet.  But we&#8217;re getting there.</p>
<p>Regarding Park&#8230; I didn&#8217;t hear it, but from what I&#8217;ve heard relayed from an interview Amaro gave on the radio, Park sounds like another Chad Durbin ca. 2007 situation: bring him in to nominally fight for the 5th starter&#8217;s spot, and then stick him in the front end of the bullpen when he fails there.  And he could have some use there; his velocity is up (92.6 mph average fastball this year, as opposed to 88.4 mph the year before), and the ball is down (50.9% grounders last year).  And I&#8217;ll assume that he doesn&#8217;t reach more than $3.5 million if he doesn&#8217;t make the rotation.</p>
<p>As for Moyer&#8230; if I go for a glass half full mentality, then I see that Josh Kalk has Jamie switching from a fastball in 2007 to a sinker in 2008 &#8212; a pitch which, naturally, had about 2.8&#8243; more downward movement.  The resulting 43.9% of grounders (the highest percentage among Fangraphs&#8217; numbers, stretching back to 2002) were certainly instrumental in his improvement from 2007 to 2008.  So while he&#8217;s not the 3.71 ERA version from last year, I&#8217;ll bank on him being better than the 5.01 ERA version from two years ago.  Marcel has him pegged at a 4.58 ERA over 178.0 IP; I&#8217;ll take it, though I think that may even be a bit conservative on the innings.</p>
<p>All that being said&#8230; I think it&#8217;s officially soon enough to pass some early judgment on this offseason &#8212; seeing as our big moves are all done &#8212; and we&#8217;re in wholehearted agreement here.  It doesn&#8217;t look good.</p>
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