Comments on: Reaction to Ibanez Signing http://crashburnalley.com/2008/12/13/reaction-to-ibanez-signing/ Philadelphia Phillies baseball analysis that everyone can enjoy. Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:26:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Bill Baer http://crashburnalley.com/2008/12/13/reaction-to-ibanez-signing/comment-page-1/#comment-6570 Bill Baer Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:11:55 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=261#comment-6570 <i>Theres a big difference between Burrell and Ibanez. If you actually look at the stats you would know. I like Pat “the bat” Burrell but Ibanez is an upgrade.</i> <a href="http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/11/4/653725/valuing-the-free-agent-hit" rel="nofollow">Sky Kalkman</a> values Burrell at 2.1 Wins Above Replacement and Ibanez at 2.2. The .1 comes from Ibanez being a hair better defensively. They're very similar players: above-average offensively, very poor defensively. The problem lies in Ibanez being old (35) and being given a three-year contract. And then there's the fact that both are Type A free agents, but Burrell is leaving and Ibanez is coming in. Since the Phillies didn't offer Burrell arbitration, it means they lose out on the first round draft pick from the team that signs Pat, and they give up a first rounder to the Mariners for Ibanez. L/R splits have some use, but not in wholly valuing a player. And especially when you consider that Ibanez makes the Phils' lineup very LH-heavy in that they will no doubt face lefty specialist after lefty specialist if possible late in the game assuming Manuel goes with an Utley-Howard-Ibanez 3-4-5. Thanks for the comment. Feel free to clarify your claims or to rebut mine. Theres a big difference between Burrell and Ibanez. If you actually look at the stats you would know. I like Pat “the bat” Burrell but Ibanez is an upgrade.

Sky Kalkman values Burrell at 2.1 Wins Above Replacement and Ibanez at 2.2. The .1 comes from Ibanez being a hair better defensively.

They’re very similar players: above-average offensively, very poor defensively. The problem lies in Ibanez being old (35) and being given a three-year contract. And then there’s the fact that both are Type A free agents, but Burrell is leaving and Ibanez is coming in. Since the Phillies didn’t offer Burrell arbitration, it means they lose out on the first round draft pick from the team that signs Pat, and they give up a first rounder to the Mariners for Ibanez.

L/R splits have some use, but not in wholly valuing a player. And especially when you consider that Ibanez makes the Phils’ lineup very LH-heavy in that they will no doubt face lefty specialist after lefty specialist if possible late in the game assuming Manuel goes with an Utley-Howard-Ibanez 3-4-5.

Thanks for the comment. Feel free to clarify your claims or to rebut mine.

]]> By: Bob http://crashburnalley.com/2008/12/13/reaction-to-ibanez-signing/comment-page-1/#comment-6561 Bob Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:36:41 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=261#comment-6561 "...I think most thinking human beings recognize that it was an illogical signing at best. The differences between Ibanez and Pat Burrell are few..." mmmmm.... No. Theres a big difference between Burrell and Ibanez. If you actually look at the stats you would know. I like Pat "the bat" Burrell but Ibanez is an upgrade. In the past 5 years Burrel hit .280 vs. lefties, .252 vs righties, 89 rbi's per year, .258 with RISP, and .243 with RISP with 2 outs. Ibanez in the past 5 years hit .275 vs. liefties, .298 vs righties, 104 rbi's per year, .301 with RISP, and .318 with RISP with 2 outs. the difference are few. i don't think so. Again i like Pat but Ibanez is an upgrade. forget about the age. Ibanez is producing and that all that matters. he also did this while in the american league. “…I think most thinking human beings recognize that it was an illogical signing at best. The differences between Ibanez and Pat Burrell are few…”

mmmmm…. No. Theres a big difference between Burrell and Ibanez. If you actually look at the stats you would know. I like Pat “the bat” Burrell but Ibanez is an upgrade. In the past 5 years Burrel hit .280 vs. lefties, .252 vs righties, 89 rbi’s per year, .258 with RISP, and .243 with RISP with 2 outs.

Ibanez in the past 5 years hit .275 vs. liefties, .298 vs righties, 104 rbi’s per year, .301 with RISP, and .318 with RISP with 2 outs.

the difference are few. i don’t think so. Again i like Pat but Ibanez is an upgrade. forget about the age. Ibanez is producing and that all that matters. he also did this while in the american league.

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