Comments on: Tired of the Lidge-Jumping http://crashburnalley.com/2008/02/29/tired-of-the-lidge-jumping/ Philadelphia Phillies baseball analysis that everyone can enjoy. Sun, 20 May 2012 02:09:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: crashburnalley.com » Blog Archive » BDD: On Ryan Howard and Brad Lidge http://crashburnalley.com/2008/02/29/tired-of-the-lidge-jumping/comment-page-1/#comment-2170 crashburnalley.com » Blog Archive » BDD: On Ryan Howard and Brad Lidge Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:18:31 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=87#comment-2170 [...] I tackled this issue previously, but given Lidge’s early-season success, it was worth mentioning again: Brad Lidge quiets those amateur psychoanalysts who think he was mentally anguished by Albert Pujols’ three-run homer in Game 5 of the ‘05 NLCS. [...] [...] I tackled this issue previously, but given Lidge’s early-season success, it was worth mentioning again: Brad Lidge quiets those amateur psychoanalysts who think he was mentally anguished by Albert Pujols’ three-run homer in Game 5 of the ‘05 NLCS. [...]

]]> By: incogneat-o http://crashburnalley.com/2008/02/29/tired-of-the-lidge-jumping/comment-page-1/#comment-1706 incogneat-o Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:42:05 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=87#comment-1706 Hey it's me again, so you seem to be of the firm belief that a players success is purely black and white...Do you not think the human psyche has anything to do with performance? You say "So, it wasn’t that he was mentally wrecked after Pujols hit a three-run home run in the 2005 NLCS; it was that he got away from his fastball and slider." But I ask you, why did he get away from it? Would you not agree that he was mentally affected to the point that he would not throw those pitches? I sincerely want to hear your view on this. Enjoyed the read. Hey it’s me again, so you seem to be of the firm belief that a players success is purely black and white…Do you not think the human psyche has anything to do with performance? You say “So, it wasn’t that he was mentally wrecked after Pujols hit a three-run home run in the 2005 NLCS; it was that he got away from his fastball and slider.” But I ask you, why did he get away from it? Would you not agree that he was mentally affected to the point that he would not throw those pitches? I sincerely want to hear your view on this. Enjoyed the read.

]]> By: Bill Baer http://crashburnalley.com/2008/02/29/tired-of-the-lidge-jumping/comment-page-1/#comment-1696 Bill Baer Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:28:17 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=87#comment-1696 They don't control him after this season, so if he leaves after the season, the only thing the Astros get in return is either A) A first-round draft pick if the team that signs him is a top-15 team. B) A sandwich pick if the team that signs him is a bottom-15 team. That's why you see teams trading good players, and it's why you'll probably see the Phillies trade Ryan Howard in 2010. Rob, thanks. Gooden is a great example of affirming the consequent. Nick, also take into account Lidge's BABIP. It was .354 in his bad '06 season and it was .308 last season, which points to bad luck. The league average is .285-ish. They don’t control him after this season, so if he leaves after the season, the only thing the Astros get in return is either

A) A first-round draft pick if the team that signs him is a top-15 team.

B) A sandwich pick if the team that signs him is a bottom-15 team.

That’s why you see teams trading good players, and it’s why you’ll probably see the Phillies trade Ryan Howard in 2010.

Rob, thanks. Gooden is a great example of affirming the consequent.

Nick, also take into account Lidge’s BABIP. It was .354 in his bad ’06 season and it was .308 last season, which points to bad luck. The league average is .285-ish.

]]> By: MoonDog http://crashburnalley.com/2008/02/29/tired-of-the-lidge-jumping/comment-page-1/#comment-1695 MoonDog Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:15:53 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=87#comment-1695 I'd agree he'll command a lot of many IF he performs well this season. Lidge is making $5.35M this season while the Astros current payroll is a little over $90M. Maybe that's their cap for this season but I still want to know if he improved so much, wouldn't the Astros have been wiling to pay $5.35M? By baseball standards for a pitcher, even a closer, that's a reasonable salary. I’d agree he’ll command a lot of many IF he performs well this season.

Lidge is making $5.35M this season while the Astros current payroll is a little over $90M.

Maybe that’s their cap for this season but I still want to know if he improved so much, wouldn’t the Astros have been wiling to pay $5.35M?

By baseball standards for a pitcher, even a closer, that’s a reasonable salary.

]]> By: Nick http://crashburnalley.com/2008/02/29/tired-of-the-lidge-jumping/comment-page-1/#comment-1694 Nick Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:05:17 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=87#comment-1694 Lidge isn't as bad as people suggest, but I wouldn't consider him cured yet either. There's something going on his head. In one pressure situations (read before the ninth inning) last season batters hi .168 against him. In the ninth, or later, they hit .257. Something about the pressure in the late innings effected him, maybe getting out of Houston will be what he needs. It certainly can't hurt, but if he starts to falter, and he is having confidence issues, your fans will destroy him. Lidge isn’t as bad as people suggest, but I wouldn’t consider him cured yet either. There’s something going on his head. In one pressure situations (read before the ninth inning) last season batters hi .168 against him. In the ninth, or later, they hit .257. Something about the pressure in the late innings effected him, maybe getting out of Houston will be what he needs. It certainly can’t hurt, but if he starts to falter, and he is having confidence issues, your fans will destroy him.

]]> By: Rob http://crashburnalley.com/2008/02/29/tired-of-the-lidge-jumping/comment-page-1/#comment-1693 Rob Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:55:59 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=87#comment-1693 Nice job again, Bill. The myth behind a player's "demise" often outweighs the readily available facts. It reminds me of Dwight Gooden's drop off in effectiveness, and how it was portrayed. To this day, the conventional wisdom is that he ruined his life with drugs. That could possibly be true. And he hindered his career, for sure, with suspensions that kept him off the field. His drop in effectiveness on the mound, however, came after arm surgery. I remember seeing some great data regarding every pitcher who had undergone this surgery, and how they had diminished results once they returned. Gooden eventually experienced the same. But to most minds...he snorted away his ability to strike people out. Lidge and his not-so-fragile psyche should get a lot of guys out in '08. Nice job again, Bill.

The myth behind a player’s “demise” often outweighs the readily available facts.

It reminds me of Dwight Gooden’s drop off in effectiveness, and how it was portrayed. To this day, the conventional wisdom is that he ruined his life with drugs. That could possibly be true. And he hindered his career, for sure, with suspensions that kept him off the field.

His drop in effectiveness on the mound, however, came after arm surgery. I remember seeing some great data regarding every pitcher who had undergone this surgery, and how they had diminished results once they returned. Gooden eventually experienced the same. But to most minds…he snorted away his ability to strike people out.

Lidge and his not-so-fragile psyche should get a lot of guys out in ’08.

]]> By: Bill B. http://crashburnalley.com/2008/02/29/tired-of-the-lidge-jumping/comment-page-1/#comment-1691 Bill B. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:17:13 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=87#comment-1691 <i>becuse he lost confidence in them.</i> Pitchers lose confidence in their pitches all the time. Ask any Major League pitcher if they have always trusted every pitch they had. Moon, just because a team trades a player doesn't mean the player wasn't good. Houston had a new GM taking over a team that'd been scuffling and they wanted to get younger. Lidge is a free agent after 2008, so he's going to command a lot of money -- money that the Astros may want to use elsewhere with their young team. becuse he lost confidence in them.

Pitchers lose confidence in their pitches all the time. Ask any Major League pitcher if they have always trusted every pitch they had.

Moon, just because a team trades a player doesn’t mean the player wasn’t good. Houston had a new GM taking over a team that’d been scuffling and they wanted to get younger. Lidge is a free agent after 2008, so he’s going to command a lot of money — money that the Astros may want to use elsewhere with their young team.

]]> By: MoonDog http://crashburnalley.com/2008/02/29/tired-of-the-lidge-jumping/comment-page-1/#comment-1690 MoonDog Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:52:00 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=87#comment-1690 I know you want to be optimistic for the coming season, but I believe you're going to regret the Phillies decision to sign Lidge. If he had improved so much, why did Houston let him go? Perhaps you'll make me eat my words, but I don't see it. I know you want to be optimistic for the coming season, but I believe you’re going to regret the Phillies decision to sign Lidge.

If he had improved so much, why did Houston let him go? Perhaps you’ll make me eat my words, but I don’t see it.

]]> By: josh q public http://crashburnalley.com/2008/02/29/tired-of-the-lidge-jumping/comment-page-1/#comment-1689 josh q public Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:45:41 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=87#comment-1689 nice write up crash, ya, but why did he get away from his fastball and slider. becuse he lost confidence in them. because he was menatally wrecked. nice write up crash,

ya, but why did he get away from his fastball and slider. becuse he lost confidence in them. because he was menatally wrecked.

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