http://crashburnalley.com/2007/12/08/bbwaa-fails-to-gain-credibility/ Philadelphia Phillies baseball analysis that everyone can enjoy. Sun, 20 May 2012 02:09:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 http://crashburnalley.com/2007/12/08/bbwaa-fails-to-gain-credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-615 Nick Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:38:24 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=55#comment-615 Bill, another thing. Maybe when you give credibility to mathamatical equations that can stand alone to debate any opinion, the words don't hold so much weight anymore. I say if it's a good enough format to build a team with (Boston, Oakland, Cleveland, Toronto, namely) then it's good enough for a writer to base his vote off of. It will get there in time. Bill, another thing. Maybe when you give credibility to mathamatical equations that can stand alone to debate any opinion, the words don’t hold so much weight anymore. I say if it’s a good enough format to build a team with (Boston, Oakland, Cleveland, Toronto, namely) then it’s good enough for a writer to base his vote off of. It will get there in time.

]]> http://crashburnalley.com/2007/12/08/bbwaa-fails-to-gain-credibility/comment-page-1/#comment-614 Nick Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:33:40 +0000 http://crashburnalley.com/?p=55#comment-614 I respect Neyer, and I am very familar with his work, but who do you leave out to let him in? Or Law for that matter? Do you drop Gammons? Olney? Stark? Kurkjian? Rosenthal? Those names ring true with the rest of America. I use Sabr stats when evaluating players, but I'll admit that I am no stathead. Furthermore, a guy like Neyer is still kind of 'underground' to the rest of America even though he has broke in with ESPN. If you ask the guy next to you at the ballpark what they think of him, nine out of ten times the answer is going to be who, or I don't like his methods. If you ask someone about Gammons they are going to say he is god. There has been great advacement for the SABR methods over the past five years, but it is still not a 'mainstream' thing. I don't know if it will ever be, but you do see some elements of it creeping into everyones work, and that is a welcome invitation. I just don't think people that pick up the Sporting News want to beat over the head with things they don't understand, nor have a desire to learn. Everyone can benefit from brushing up on it, but some of the mathematical equations are over peoples heads, and they don't want to evaluate talent with things they can't compute themselves. Now, I'm not speaking personally, but this has been my experience while speaking to others. My dad, the biggest fan you will ever meet, has no use for it. Doesn't respect, understand it, or want to know it, and never will. I think when the younger guys, our generation, gain control of the seats then you will see more and more of it in the mainstream, in the box score, in articles, but it is going to take time. I respect Neyer, and I am very familar with his work, but who do you leave out to let him in? Or Law for that matter? Do you drop Gammons? Olney? Stark? Kurkjian? Rosenthal? Those names ring true with the rest of America. I use Sabr stats when evaluating players, but I’ll admit that I am no stathead. Furthermore, a guy like Neyer is still kind of ‘underground’ to the rest of America even though he has broke in with ESPN. If you ask the guy next to you at the ballpark what they think of him, nine out of ten times the answer is going to be who, or I don’t like his methods. If you ask someone about Gammons they are going to say he is god. There has been great advacement for the SABR methods over the past five years, but it is still not a ‘mainstream’ thing. I don’t know if it will ever be, but you do see some elements of it creeping into everyones work, and that is a welcome invitation. I just don’t think people that pick up the Sporting News want to beat over the head with things they don’t understand, nor have a desire to learn. Everyone can benefit from brushing up on it, but some of the mathematical equations are over peoples heads, and they don’t want to evaluate talent with things they can’t compute themselves. Now, I’m not speaking personally, but this has been my experience while speaking to others. My dad, the biggest fan you will ever meet, has no use for it. Doesn’t respect, understand it, or want to know it, and never will. I think when the younger guys, our generation, gain control of the seats then you will see more and more of it in the mainstream, in the box score, in articles, but it is going to take time.

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