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	<title>Comments on: Clarification on the Conlin Comments</title>
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		<title>By: ckp</title>
		<link>http://crashburnalley.com/2007/11/24/clarification-on-the-conlin-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-572</link>
		<dc:creator>ckp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Doctor Dribbles above, I only found your site due to this little flap. I felt that your emails to Conlin were respectful and reasonable. His responses were not. I will be reading your posts from here on due in part to the even-handed approach you&#039;ve displayed throughout this mess. Oh, and your comments regarding baseball itself are pretty insightful, too. That would be another reason to read your posts, too, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Doctor Dribbles above, I only found your site due to this little flap. I felt that your emails to Conlin were respectful and reasonable. His responses were not. I will be reading your posts from here on due in part to the even-handed approach you&#8217;ve displayed throughout this mess. Oh, and your comments regarding baseball itself are pretty insightful, too. That would be another reason to read your posts, too, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowman</title>
		<link>http://crashburnalley.com/2007/11/24/clarification-on-the-conlin-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-557</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to trumpet my own horn, but I just got a totally unprompted telegram from a former President who rose from the grave, read this blog, and thanked me for the comment above.

Which former President? I dunno. You figure out what former President is on the twenty-dollar bill, was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence, followed closely the words of pamphleteers, and whose private letter to a Baptist Association gave us the phrase &quot;separation between church and state.&quot;

The short term lesson for you young ones is not to burn your bridges, even once they&#039;ve passed on... I mean, been torn down. You never know when you might need to pull something like this out of your a$$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to trumpet my own horn, but I just got a totally unprompted telegram from a former President who rose from the grave, read this blog, and thanked me for the comment above.</p>
<p>Which former President? I dunno. You figure out what former President is on the twenty-dollar bill, was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence, followed closely the words of pamphleteers, and whose private letter to a Baptist Association gave us the phrase &#8220;separation between church and state.&#8221;</p>
<p>The short term lesson for you young ones is not to burn your bridges, even once they&#8217;ve passed on&#8230; I mean, been torn down. You never know when you might need to pull something like this out of your a$$.</p>
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		<title>By: Snowman</title>
		<link>http://crashburnalley.com/2007/11/24/clarification-on-the-conlin-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely I&#039;m not the only one who, through all of the debate as to whether or not making the e-mails public was morally correct, thinks that by starting his end of an exchange with someone who has identified himself as a blogger with &quot;Know what, pal? Bash this. . .Tell your bloggers, my career against theirs. . .&quot; has more or less opened the door for their publication?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely I&#8217;m not the only one who, through all of the debate as to whether or not making the e-mails public was morally correct, thinks that by starting his end of an exchange with someone who has identified himself as a blogger with &#8220;Know what, pal? Bash this. . .Tell your bloggers, my career against theirs. . .&#8221; has more or less opened the door for their publication?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fortunately, the guys who have been working on advanced fielding stats aren&#039;t totally brainless and statistics have gone far beyond a simple quantitative look at fielding and assuming that balls are distributed randomly. When you break the field down into zones like you do for the advanced fielding metrics, it takes into account batters attempting to hit balls away from fielders. A stat like +/- gives a fielder way more credit for making a play on a ball hit away from him, and it doesn&#039;t matter if the hitter had the intent to do that or not. To steal a line from the Hardball Times, critiquing fielding statistics by taking shots at RF is like saying personal computers are no good because they run on DOS.

I love to trumpet my own horn. Bill James just knocked on my door and told me I&#039;m awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, the guys who have been working on advanced fielding stats aren&#8217;t totally brainless and statistics have gone far beyond a simple quantitative look at fielding and assuming that balls are distributed randomly. When you break the field down into zones like you do for the advanced fielding metrics, it takes into account batters attempting to hit balls away from fielders. A stat like +/- gives a fielder way more credit for making a play on a ball hit away from him, and it doesn&#8217;t matter if the hitter had the intent to do that or not. To steal a line from the Hardball Times, critiquing fielding statistics by taking shots at RF is like saying personal computers are no good because they run on DOS.</p>
<p>I love to trumpet my own horn. Bill James just knocked on my door and told me I&#8217;m awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Squonk64</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squonk64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to trumpet my own horn, but I just got a totally unprompted e-mail from a major league manager that read this blog and thanked me for having the balls to tell the truth.  

Which major league manager?  I dunno.  You figure out what major league manager grew up in the Phily area, is in his late 40s, and had two female cousins that I dated in high school.

The short term lesson for you young ones is not to burn your bridges.  You never know when you might need to pull something like this out of your a$$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to trumpet my own horn, but I just got a totally unprompted e-mail from a major league manager that read this blog and thanked me for having the balls to tell the truth.  </p>
<p>Which major league manager?  I dunno.  You figure out what major league manager grew up in the Phily area, is in his late 40s, and had two female cousins that I dated in high school.</p>
<p>The short term lesson for you young ones is not to burn your bridges.  You never know when you might need to pull something like this out of your a$$.</p>
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		<title>By: Squonk64</title>
		<link>http://crashburnalley.com/2007/11/24/clarification-on-the-conlin-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>Squonk64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear  zeke5123:

I disagree, strongly, with your analysis.  Statistics are based on the &quot;randomness&quot; of the sample, so it also needs &quot;all other things being equal&quot; for it to give a meaningful result.  But baseball is not an &quot;all things are equal&quot; kind of sport.  Talk to visiting relief pitchers at CBP, and you start to understand what I mean.

Fielders do not receive the same plays, in the same sequence, and in the same situations.   Therefore, &quot;pure statictics&quot; are not accurate in determining a player&#039;s fielding worth.  You need to qualitatively figure out what it means.  Otherwise, one&#039;s quantitative effort leads to &quot;garbage in, garbage out.&quot;

Range Factor is a valuable statistic, but absolutely worthless without some qualitative discussion describing it&#039;s meaning.  For instance, in the real world, major league batters are able to pretty much hit the ball where they want.  That means, if they want to avoid hitting the ball to the Short Stop, they can do that.  That will mean the Short Stop wil get less opportunities, and the few opportunities he does get, will take far more effort to make.  

That&#039;s where pure statistics fails.  It cannot, nor does it attempt, to take into account what others intended to do, or the result.  That&#039;s why one needs to qualitatively understand the statistics before they make overly broad assumptions regarding what they mean.

~  Squonk64</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear  zeke5123:</p>
<p>I disagree, strongly, with your analysis.  Statistics are based on the &#8220;randomness&#8221; of the sample, so it also needs &#8220;all other things being equal&#8221; for it to give a meaningful result.  But baseball is not an &#8220;all things are equal&#8221; kind of sport.  Talk to visiting relief pitchers at CBP, and you start to understand what I mean.</p>
<p>Fielders do not receive the same plays, in the same sequence, and in the same situations.   Therefore, &#8220;pure statictics&#8221; are not accurate in determining a player&#8217;s fielding worth.  You need to qualitatively figure out what it means.  Otherwise, one&#8217;s quantitative effort leads to &#8220;garbage in, garbage out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Range Factor is a valuable statistic, but absolutely worthless without some qualitative discussion describing it&#8217;s meaning.  For instance, in the real world, major league batters are able to pretty much hit the ball where they want.  That means, if they want to avoid hitting the ball to the Short Stop, they can do that.  That will mean the Short Stop wil get less opportunities, and the few opportunities he does get, will take far more effort to make.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s where pure statistics fails.  It cannot, nor does it attempt, to take into account what others intended to do, or the result.  That&#8217;s why one needs to qualitatively understand the statistics before they make overly broad assumptions regarding what they mean.</p>
<p>~  Squonk64</p>
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		<title>By: Squonk64</title>
		<link>http://crashburnalley.com/2007/11/24/clarification-on-the-conlin-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>Squonk64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Nick:

I believe I am correct on the facts, and thank you for point that out to me.  I really don&#039;t know what else to say.

No, I am not familiar with Hanley Ramirez, nor do I give one rats ass about anybody who played for a team in Miami.  

I have spent my 43 years living in an area where I saw loads of Phillies games, with an occasional O&#039;s game mixed in.  Have you seen Brooks Robinson pull off the front end, meaning the first two outs, of a triple play against the Yankees?  I don&#039;t think so.  

Look, if you want to debate minutia, find someone else.  I just want to make sure my Phillies have a great team next year.  

~  Squonk64</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Nick:</p>
<p>I believe I am correct on the facts, and thank you for point that out to me.  I really don&#8217;t know what else to say.</p>
<p>No, I am not familiar with Hanley Ramirez, nor do I give one rats ass about anybody who played for a team in Miami.  </p>
<p>I have spent my 43 years living in an area where I saw loads of Phillies games, with an occasional O&#8217;s game mixed in.  Have you seen Brooks Robinson pull off the front end, meaning the first two outs, of a triple play against the Yankees?  I don&#8217;t think so.  </p>
<p>Look, if you want to debate minutia, find someone else.  I just want to make sure my Phillies have a great team next year.  </p>
<p>~  Squonk64</p>
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		<title>By: mike arias</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike arias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been following your go around with Conlin since they posted the link for it at the &quot;the700level&quot; website.  The first few sorties were very entertaining but I admit, after that, your intentions seem to clearly be to rile this big league media figure up.  Perhaps the true intention has been overwhelmed by the one that has since evolved, but it is clear enough.  

Firstly, I don&#039;t agree with any method of computation over the MVP...this year especially.  David Wright, apparently, did nothing to get his team into postseason (not that this should neccessarily be a qualifier).  When we pour ourselves into mass bundles of statistics, we simply remove the human element from the situation.  Obviously, stats are the fingerprint of a great season, but what of the intangibles?  How many records did Jimmy set?  How about his &quot;iron man&quot; performance?  What about the, &quot;preseason prediction?&quot;  What about his baton pick up from where Chase was felled?  You need to ask yourself, &quot;do stats really aswer these questions?&quot; ...which, if you think about it, are all directly related to whether or not a player is Most Valuable.

By the way, you and others are simply reading waaaayyyyy to into the Hitler comments.   Conlin should have used more tact with that notion, but his intent is painfully obvious and it wasn&#039;t anti semitism.  Get over it people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been following your go around with Conlin since they posted the link for it at the &#8220;the700level&#8221; website.  The first few sorties were very entertaining but I admit, after that, your intentions seem to clearly be to rile this big league media figure up.  Perhaps the true intention has been overwhelmed by the one that has since evolved, but it is clear enough.  </p>
<p>Firstly, I don&#8217;t agree with any method of computation over the MVP&#8230;this year especially.  David Wright, apparently, did nothing to get his team into postseason (not that this should neccessarily be a qualifier).  When we pour ourselves into mass bundles of statistics, we simply remove the human element from the situation.  Obviously, stats are the fingerprint of a great season, but what of the intangibles?  How many records did Jimmy set?  How about his &#8220;iron man&#8221; performance?  What about the, &#8220;preseason prediction?&#8221;  What about his baton pick up from where Chase was felled?  You need to ask yourself, &#8220;do stats really aswer these questions?&#8221; &#8230;which, if you think about it, are all directly related to whether or not a player is Most Valuable.</p>
<p>By the way, you and others are simply reading waaaayyyyy to into the Hitler comments.   Conlin should have used more tact with that notion, but his intent is painfully obvious and it wasn&#8217;t anti semitism.  Get over it people.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Dribbles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Dribbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill-

Kudos for handling this entire episode with not only grace, but self-examination too.  I can&#039;t admit to being a regular reader of Crashburn Alley before, but you&#039;ve won me over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill-</p>
<p>Kudos for handling this entire episode with not only grace, but self-examination too.  I can&#8217;t admit to being a regular reader of Crashburn Alley before, but you&#8217;ve won me over.</p>
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		<title>By: zeke5123</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeke5123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohk. Effort and range are not negatively rated. Perhaps fielding percentage is, but not range factor. It basically determines how many balls you turn into outs. So if someone has what you term little effort they wont turn as many balls into outs. So RF is a good stat, furthermore your idea of effort is misguided. I will take the more talented player who doesn&#039;t bust his ass off but makes more plays then the scrapy player who sucks. I want wins, and if one player plays with minimum effort but creates one more win a  year then the all effort little talent guy, who can you say you want the scrapy on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohk. Effort and range are not negatively rated. Perhaps fielding percentage is, but not range factor. It basically determines how many balls you turn into outs. So if someone has what you term little effort they wont turn as many balls into outs. So RF is a good stat, furthermore your idea of effort is misguided. I will take the more talented player who doesn&#8217;t bust his ass off but makes more plays then the scrapy player who sucks. I want wins, and if one player plays with minimum effort but creates one more win a  year then the all effort little talent guy, who can you say you want the scrapy on?</p>
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